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  • Sat, Feb 11 2012 6:44 PM

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    2012 House Bill 2233 (Creating a procedure for the state's retrocession of civil and criminal jurisdiction over Indian tribes and Indian country)

    Introduced in the House on January 9, 2012

    The vote was 54 in favor, 42 opposed and 2 not voting

    (House Roll Call 0 at House Journal 0)

    Click here to view bill details.
  • Sat, Feb 11 2012 6:44 PM In reply to

    Re: 2012 House Bill 2233 (Creating a procedure for the state's retrocession of civil and criminal jurisdiction over Indian tribes and Indian country)

    What's left to give them....................?

  • Wed, Feb 29 2012 7:38 PM In reply to

    Re: 2012 House Bill 2233 (Creating a procedure for the state's retrocession of civil and criminal jurisdiction over Indian tribes and Indian country)

    Sooner or later someone is going to have to have the nerve to make the tribes decide whether they are Americans or not.  None of the rest of us can have it both ways.

  • Wed, Mar 21 2012 10:00 PM In reply to

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    Re: 2012 House Bill 2233 (Creating a procedure for the state's retrocession of civil and criminal jurisdiction over Indian tribes and Indian country)

    @ lizziphel: You're right. They can't have it two ways; they get it three ways. They are citizens of their respective tribes, citizens of the US, and citizens of the State of Washington. Let's have a little history lesson...treaties are a grant of rights "FROM the tribes TO the state". NOT the other way around. Tribes gave up land, access, whatever FOR SPECIFICALLY RESERVED rights, FOREVER. They were here FIRST and "Americans" basically squatted on the lands and asserted claim resulting from Doctrine of Discovery and later, Manifest Destiny...That's fancy terminology that means it's ok to steal anything and everything and remove the original inhabitants. Believe me, the Church spent a lot of time thinking about how to word that and make it acceptable to God, at least that's what they said. Nationwide, out of approximately 800 treaties, only 400 or so were ratified. Let's jump to the ambitious Isaac Stevens (you all know who he was). Mr. Stevens was notorious for having the army in the background when he was imposing treaties. Even though experienced interpreters were available to discuss treaties and very familiar with the different tribes' languages, Stevens insisted on using interpreters who spoke the Chinook jargon which tribes struggled with and had a difficult time understanding. Also, Stevens "selected" tribal members to sign the treaties and identified them as chiefs or leaders of the signing tribes, when in fact, they were not. Years after these treaties were signed, one respected judge reviewed the process and outcome and labeled it as "criminal" and said that Stevens should have been prosecuted for his unscrupulous actions. Maybe tribes should have been given the choice to "decide" at the very beginning of this unconscionable theft of land and culture. Of course, the choice should have been made after the tribes were fully informed of what was going to happen. What do you think? I think it's an outrage. Have a nice day.
  • Tue, Apr 3 2012 12:52 PM In reply to

    Re: 2012 House Bill 2233 (Creating a procedure for the state's retrocession of civil and criminal jurisdiction over Indian tribes and Indian country)

     It is NOT an issue if they are Americans or not...They are first Americans, citizens of the US.  It is an issue if they are residents of the State of WA or not.  Indian law says they are NOT under certain jurisdiction of the State.  Their lands are more like the territories of Puerto Rico and such.  They are entitled to their own laws and ordinances as olng as they are covered by Federal law.  They do not pay State taxes or sales taxes.  My issue is - should they be allowed to participate in State elections....   I respect their soverign status, but feel it is wrong for them to affect State politics.

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