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Introduced in the House on January 14, 2013

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I foresee a fight in the Republican Senate over this bill. Can't we do something about Senator Tom? Tar and feather?

Rep. Cody never gives up. She wants the immoral practice of the genocide of defenseless human beings funded by taxpayers. Let the woman who chooses to murder her own child pay for it. My hard earned money isn't going to support these modern day barbarians.

 With all the methods of birth control available, why do liberal women insist on abortion being a birth control option?  I can see abortion for medical reasons where it would save the woman's life, or even rape, but what's up with the partial--birth abortion, and why is it not considered murder?

But I guess since the stats show that minorities are more likely to get abortions, I guess the liberals see this as legal state-sponsored genocide and a way to make sure that Whites stay the majority. 

I'm glad the Republicans will give this bill a fight. 

How can murder ever be justified?  This would include the death penalty........

I knew this bill would be a fight, 40 years after the Roe v. Wade decision. Doesn't a woman have a right to determine what happens to her body?

 55,000,000 and counting!!    When will it stop? Thanks to all those courageous Legislators that will fight this bill.

A woman has a right to determine what happens to her body but she does not have a right to determine what happens to the distinct, individual, unique body of a developing child that her body nly serves to incubate until it is ready to be born, particularly when that child exists, not of its own accord, but because the woman chose to have sexual intercourse which always has the risk of pregnancy. What you are really saying is some human life is worth less than other human life.

If having a safe abortion is made inaccessible to a woman, then she will seek out a method of abortion that could cause her irreparable harm. Abortion is a terrible thing, but it is sometimes necessary. The world is full of things like that.

 Safe abortions are different then tax supported safe abortions . We do not use government to provide gun safety courses or de we have government pay for the safe guns without assault type characteristics . I would totally agree with  an excemption to providing abortions for the life or safety of the  Mother if one would stop irreparable harm . But you and I know that is hardly the case. This is for casual abortions such as used for birth control by more and more people . Those who equate abortion rights with the right to have an apendix removed .

No, I don't know that to be the case. True, if people used birth control effectively there would be less of a need for abortions. I think it's naive to say that abortion is used instead of birth control. You must be a male, Mick (Mick is a gender neutral name) because only a male would be naive enough to say such a thing.

You must be a liberal , usually liberals speak without  the need to know any facts . But according to NARAL about 4 percent of abortions are because of the health of the Mother , about 4 percent because the health of the baby , and half of percent because of incest , rape .   So yes , providing abortions for the other reasons such as not ready for responsibility, economics, already has all the kids that are wantted, single mom , etc is birth control . Has nothing to do with health .  

Social Reasons (given as primary reason)
- Feels unready for child/responsibility	25%
- Feels she can't afford baby	23%
- Has all the children she wants/Other family responsibilities	19%
- Relationship problem/Single motherhood	8%
- Feels she isn't mature enough	7%
- Interference with education/career plans	4%
- Parents/Partner wants abortion	<1%
- Other reasons	<6.5%
TOTAL:	93% (Approx.)
"Hard Cases" (given as primary reason)
- Mother's Health	4%
- Baby may have health problem	3%
- Rape or Incest	<0.5%

For those that voted NO: You believe that abortion is murder. Where did you get this belief? Biblically: According to the Bible it is not a sin or a murder to abort a fetus, anytime, anywhere, for any reason. And should someone hit a women and she loses the fetus, it is considered a minor infraction, not murder in Old Testament Law. To be murder, one has to be alive. The Bible says it is the breath of life when the baby is alive. The breath of life is when the soul enters the body, just like the soul leaves the body when one dies. They have to go back to Roman theologian Tertullian to reinforce their claim that the “orthodox position” is that life begins at conception, conveniently leaving out the fact that Church fathers Augustine and Aquinas—and most evangelicals up until the 1970s—are on the other side of the argument. As Aquinas put it (in a view that remained the official position of the Catholic Church from the medieval era to the mid-1800s), “The rational soul ought to be united to a body which may be a suitable organ of sensation... before the body has organs in any way whatever, it cannot be receptive of the soul.” http://www.alternet.org/tea-party-and-right/real-story-religious-right-movement-born-defend-racial-segregation?akid=10044.277680.1jz5Ti&rd=1&src=newsletter793145&t=9&paging=off Sounds like the “Spirit of the Antichrist” St. Augustine of Hippo, d. A.D. 430, a belief not supported by the Bible or Christ. Medically: It is far safer for a women to have an abortion than to deliver a full term baby. Psychologically: A termination of a pregnancy –early or full term result in hormones decreasing. Some women may experience depression and even suicidal tendencies if not informed of the changes in her body, but this not only do to early termination. Financially: Children are far better off when a woman waits until she can afford a baby. Statistically: Abortion rates go down the more education and access to contraception is provided. Socially: Condemning abortions results in creating psychological scars for those that have abortions. It allows the anti-abortionist to feel justified to shame, bully, hate, hurt, those that have abortions and even murder the doctors who give abortions. Legally: Any law prohibiting or limiting the access to abortion services is unconstitutional and restricts a group of people to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

 For those that voted YES:  Does this mean you now back the death penalty, or are you only passing a death sentence on the unborn?

Concern50:

Statistically: Abortion rates go down the more education and access to contraception is provided.

One wonders how much more education the school needs to provide to the young women about sex and contraception.  Yet, it seems that easiest thing to teach the young ones are abstinance, and when one teaches that one gets to hear how "unrealistic" that is. 

One also wonders how much easier to get contraception, does this mean that to cut-down on contraceptive abortions that schools must now carry contraceptives in vending machines at school? 

Concern50:

Legally: Any law prohibiting or limiting the access to abortion services is unconstitutional and restricts a group of people to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

  Why doesn't this standard apply to the unborn fetus?

 No one is denying abortion for medical reasons, what we are saying no to is the recreational/contraceptive abortions.  Yet I also wonder is this the same argument that can be used for the death penalty.  X killed my friend and it would make me happy for X to die, so, not having and enforcing the death penalty is unconstitutional and restricts me from the pursuit of happiness?

Seems to me you cannot support abortion without supporting the death sentence also.  But, why is this not the case?  Why must the unborn innocents with unrealized potential be sacrificed and those that have killed others and wasted their potential be allowed to live?

One answer is to look at the statistics where it easily shows that minorities (non-whites in this case) have more abortions that the majority.  One could easily make an argument that those that support abortion also support euginics and racism.  It seems to me that this is the only reasoning that makes sense out of all this.

Let's be clear here - the Republicans, Tea Party, and Religious Right Wing are out of step with the majority of Americans. No matter what you believe, you do not have the right to legislate a woman's freedom to decide what is best for her body. How would you like an anal probe just because a legislator made it legal to do so? Laws not based upon science, analysis, and good medicine have no place in our society.

 This is not about legislating abortion rights , this is about using government to force others to pay for it . Capitalism is the system where people choose what they buy , Communism is when the government owns the private sector and runs the services, socialism is when the people particpate in government run services , Facism is when the government Tells private businesses what they have to do . This is a facist bill , its not the government running or paying for a service , its telling private buisness what it has to do .   Abortion is legal in this state and country . Every insurer that provides medical insurance has abortion coverage . The only way to win this debate is to make it about abortion rights . That is decietfull . As stated , this bill does not make abortion legal or illegal , It makes  those in the private market who wish not to pay for the added costs of abortion coverage to have  to pay for it , They can no longer be  exempt .  We have Federal law that says abortions can not be funded by Federal Government . Obama care promoters stated passing Obama Care would not change that .  Where were you in that debate ? Thats a big difference from allowing people to decide for themselves . You lost the argument when you felt the need to insult the conscience and integrity of those who believe in choices . Facism breeds facism . Because we have a First Amendment , it does not mean we all have to pay for churches . Your god is killing the unborn , pro choice indeed has nothing to do with your points . Its based in not accepting peoples right to choose . In stead of not following the principle of the law not to use tax dollars , you use the state to force others to do it .  Same thing . The democratic party is not the one our fathers knew.

We live in a democracy - which means the majority wins. When only 13% of the voting population want to take away health care coverage for women including abortion services, your views are in the minority. Your side has ranted and raved long enough. Women can make up their own minds about their bodies. We don't want men making those decisions, no matter what they are. Women work and pay for their health care services, just like men. Equal and justice under the law is clear - same rights. I am so tired of people like you that are mini fascist in disguise. Just once I would love for you to have to experience the decisions a women makes and why she makes those decisions, or the pain she feels from your hatred and ignorance. Thank you Washington State legislators for being so forward and creating a state that respects women, their needs, and their wishes.

We don't live in a democracy. We have a constitutional republic which is a huge difference and obviously, you don't know the difference between the two. A democracy with majority rule is completely against the founding documents of this nation because it allows the majority to have complete rule over the minority, something our founders detested. Secondly, history proves that a society that does not value and protect human life, particularly the defenseless and vulnerable, morphs into a society that approves of genocide. It might be to your benefit you review the history of Nazi Germany, Stalin's Russia, and even look at China today. No society ought to force its members to fund the intentional destruction of human beings and by doing so, our society is reverting to barbarianism which will eventually result in more classes of people being exterminated for either economic reasons or a culture that values only those who can benefit a tyrannical state. Thirdly, medical insurance ought to cover only those services that are medically necessary and abortion doesn't fall into that category. Since the medically necessary test has been eliminated, health care costs have skyrockedted and will only get worse, eventually making it impossible to cover all of the services and procedures people demand. Educate yourself rather than basing your opinions on emotion. There is no equality and justice when the unborn are murdered by the millions.

Wow Concern 50, are you ever misinformed or totally brainwashed and certainly not scientifically educated. Since the Old Testament and since Augustine and Aquinas, medicine, science and technology have evolved to the point where all of them clearly and without question prove that with conception, a distinctly unique human individual is created when sperm and ova intersect. That you would claim the Bible condons abortion is a testament to your ignorance and a testament to how powerful Satan is in warping people's minds, destroying their ability to think, and serving his will rather than God's.

Mick, you are totally correct. This bill is simply another one where government uses its power to force people to pay for something that is neither medically necessary nor moral. That is what a tyrannical government does and because of this tyranny, all Americans who want liberty should be opposed to it.