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  • Mon, Jan 1 2001 12:00 AM

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    2011 Senate Bill 5168 (Reducing maximum sentences for gross misdemeanors to avoid deportation)

    Introduced in the Senate on January 17, 2011, to reduce the maximum sentence for a gross misdemeanor to up to 264 days, because the maximum sentence would result in the automatic deportation, under federal law, of a legal immigrant or refugee

    The vote was 45 in favor, 3 opposed and 1 not voting

    (Senate Roll Call 0 at Senate Journal 0)

    Click here to view bill details.
  • Fri, Feb 25 2011 8:08 PM In reply to

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    No [N] Re: 2011 Senate Bill 5168 (Reducing maximum sentences for gross misdemeanors to avoid deportation)

    If you are a guest in my country and you break the law why wouldn't we want to send them back to the country of their citizenship? It just plain makes sense to me. We have enough problems without allowing more petty criminals to stay here. After all our cash strapped police no longer have the time, inclination or money to answer calls for small crimes so boot the lawbreakers out.

    Why on earth would we want to keep them here???

    Could one of our elected officials please reply to the wisdom of this change in the law??

     

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  • Sat, Feb 26 2011 3:14 AM In reply to

    Re: 2011 Senate Bill 5168 (Reducing maximum sentences for gross misdemeanors to avoid deportation)

    KeyPen:

    Why on earth would we want to keep them here???

     

     Because our elected officials who have taken an oath of office to follow the law and to protect the citizens of Washington state has put the wants of illegals ahead of the citizenry in order to garner a few more votes.

     

    DK

     

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  • Sat, Feb 26 2011 2:15 PM In reply to

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    Re: 2011 Senate Bill 5168 (Reducing maximum sentences for gross misdemeanors to avoid deportation)

    DK,

    I suspect you are correct. I also think that there is not one of the elected officials that voted for this fine piece of legislation that has guts enough to try and justify this change to the public.

    This is the news that should be making headlines but no what I hear loud and clear is crying form the UW about cutting thier funds. Which they were quick to point out would reduce the number of in-state students in favor of out of state and country students that would pay more in tuition.

    It is way past time to look out for the citizens of this state and country.

     

  • Thu, Apr 21 2011 7:27 PM In reply to

    Re: 2011 Senate Bill 5168 (Reducing maximum sentences for gross misdemeanors to avoid deportation)

    For starters, it isn't up to the State of Washington to "keep them here" or not.  It's up to the feds. 

    Second, all this is doing is making sure the feds don't misinterpret what the crime was. 

    The Feds consider any crime punished by a year or more to be an "aggravated felony." 

    At the same time, most lower courts in Washington give all mindemeanants the maximum sentence basically every time (90 days for misdemeanors and a full 365 for gross misdemeanors).  They usually suspend the bulk of it (or all of it) but they hold the remainder over the offender to force compliance with whatever conditions they impose.

    This creates an unjust situation whereby the feds consider most any gross misdemeanor to be an aggravated felony, even where the crime isn't a felony at all.  It makes no sense.  How can a gross misdemeanor be an aggravated felony?  For immigration purposes, a felony where someone does 9 months in jail (say Assault in the Second Degree) is better than a gross misdemeanor where he does no jail but has the 365 suspended (say, littering more than a cubic yard).  That's what's wrong with the way it was.

    It isn't that we necessarily want to keep or deport anyone.  We just want the law to be fair, and clear, and logical.

     

    It's stupid.  It makes no sense.  And it ties the hands of the immigration courts.  It isn't that they can't still deport criminals, it's that the way it was before, they had to deport some criminals, while having the option to deport or not deport other, worse, criminals. 

     

    All this law does is ensure the Feds don't wrongly misinterpret what happened.  They can still deport any non-citizen for any number or reasons, but their hands are no longer tied because of this weird quirk in the law.

  • Fri, Mar 16 2012 2:47 PM In reply to

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    Re: 2011 Senate Bill 5168 (Reducing maximum sentences for gross misdemeanors to avoid deportation)

    Let's not assume that someone had a political agenda with this bill, let's just see the logic behind it. Immigrants whether we like it or not contribute to our economy and because of that they have their rights, so making things easier for them in this specific concern it's just a good thing, and maybe it's the fair thing. In a short while I will have my masters degree in criminology and I know what to expect in the real world. I really truly believe in the power of good and I am an advocate for that.
  • Fri, Mar 16 2012 5:00 PM In reply to

    Re: 2011 Senate Bill 5168 (Reducing maximum sentences for gross misdemeanors to avoid deportation)

    maddier:
    In a short while I will have my masters degree in criminology and I know what to expect in the real world.
     

    Do you know how pompous that sounds?  I'm sure those with Masters in other fields (such as teaching) will tell you that unless you have real-world experience, you have no idea what to expect.

     

     

    I won't be wronged. I won't be insulted. I won't be laid a-hand on. I don't do these things to other people, and I require the same from them.
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  • Fri, Mar 16 2012 5:03 PM In reply to

    Re: 2011 Senate Bill 5168 (Reducing maximum sentences for gross misdemeanors to avoid deportation)

    seattleslough:
    This creates an unjust situation whereby the feds consider most any gross misdemeanor to be an aggravated felony, even where the crime isn't a felony at all.  It makes no sense.  How can a gross misdemeanor be an aggravated felony?  For immigration purposes, a felony where someone does 9 months in jail (say Assault in the Second Degree) is better than a gross misdemeanor where he does no jail but has the 365 suspended (say, littering more than a cubic yard).  That's what's wrong with the way it was.
     

     

    To begin with, the illegals are already breaking the law....  Just saying.  As they have already shown one law does not matter to them, why should they fear other laws also?

     

    I won't be wronged. I won't be insulted. I won't be laid a-hand on. I don't do these things to other people, and I require the same from them.
    - John Wayne in the Shootist.

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