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Introduced in the House on January 10, 2011

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More psychobabble from the ones that can't even balance the State budget.  Let's concentrate on teaching the kids to read, write, spell, and do math, and leave the rest to parents.

 This is just another feel-good legislature first thought of in California.

Our legislature should have more important things to do rather than try to make us part of the California-culture.  We are Washingtonians, and it's about time "our" legislature understands this and not pander to those who just moved in-state.  At least this is one bill that doesn't pander to illegals.

As bdl stated:  "Let's concentrate on teaching the kids to read, write, spell, and do math, and leave the rest to parents."

 

DK

 Notice the bill is sponsored mostly by Democrat women - two Democrat men - will gives one all they need to know about why this bill stinks.

Democrat women are the control freaks and can't stand to have non-feminist women, i.e, parents of born children, have any control over children. They want to brainwash and indoctrinate children from birth into becoming them.

If "age appropriate" emotional learning can be compared to "age appropriate sex education", which is their code word for manipulation of the mind and acts of children, then we know it isn't good for the kids.

Considering the public schools can't even teach children the basics, why would anyone in their right mind want them to mess with out kids emotional well-being?

 Actually, this bill teaches children what these supposed adult psters don't know how to do: live with others: 

For instance, SEL (social-emotional learning) teaches mental skills that teach how to control emotions (like anger) and thought (like anxiety and feeling so bad about oneself that they have to lash out at others).  SEL teaches how to have good relations with other people.  SEL teaches empathy and anti-bullying skills.  SEL kids excel in academics (Social-emotional Learning  schools increase academic testing by 11 - 17%),   See www.casel.org for more information if you are interested in something other than complaining.  The national organization is not in California but in Chicago IL  Illinois was the first state to make SEL training mandatory this year.  It is an effort to stem violence and addictions rather than spend 25% of the state budget just on these two issues.

In Massachusetts, see www.SEL4Mass.org. 

Now, fellas (not a woman among you I bet), try to play nice with others and share your candy. :)

 Anti-hater.

Once again psycho-babble telling us why we need a nanny state and a reason to spend money.

Every thing you have listed is best served by decent parenting, something the state feels the need to take over.  I don't know about you but I will not have the state raising my children and grand children.

This is a bad precident and needs to be stopped before it reaches the floor, and the lawmaker who introduced this should be ran outta state.  And no, I don't need any law that the East Coast has (have you seen the state of Mass recently?), or was started in the state that sponsored Obama and his bullying politics (remember June 14, 2008 when O said "If they bring a knife to the fight we bring a gun"  (http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/06/14/obama-if-they-bring-a-knife-to-the-fight-we-bring-a-gun/ ) telling me how the state will tell children not to be children.

I live in the state of WA.  The state that was proud enough to go to war against Canada over a pig.  And I live in a county that went to war with the US Gov. over fishing rights at the turn of the century.  And yes, my neck is red, but government garbage is government garbage and the voters need to take the garbage out of the legislature by voting the bat-rastards out!

And how dare you pull the sexist icard, I guess you figured you couldn't win the racist card. 

 

DK

 I agree that good parenting would be the best way to teach children.

Having said that, there obviously lots of bad parenting out there to give us so m many haters, excluders, minority bashers, *** slapers, bulliers in and out of school, drug pushers, drug users, violence-lovers, government-loather and of course, the vitriol spreaders.  All of it, as you wisely point out is a product of bad parenting. 

So while we wait for bad parenting to change (how do you propose to change that?), I suggest we throw out the status quo bc I am sick of living with all the people outlined above.  And I say we use goverment to exterminate them.....not by violence but by over time, substituting them, as they die off, with their children who have been trained from a young age in how to achieve a more successful life.

Bad precedent is allowing the goverment to continue to spend my money on their violence and addictions which take up 25% of my tax dollars.  Reduce the need for that money is my theory. 

Now, I know your theory is to just stop funding the criminal system (no courts, no judges, no police) and all addiction support services (which will increase crime). You would have these people running around killing people, shooting up, and corrupting our children bc it is their American right to be free of government rules and regulations (after all, you believe, the government is the enemy not the murdering, drug induced scum who prey on peace-loving people). 

And if these are not your theories, then you must believe in government rules. Which is it?  Do you believe that police are to be supported in their efforts?  Why are guns then allowed?  Why do we allow automatic weapons and large clips to get in the hands of criminals who try to kill police.  I'd say you are anti-police.  An anarchist.  A terrorist. 

Because without supporting change in our kids, for them to be free of violence and addiction (78% of all crime is related to substance abuse, which I suppose is statistics babble) you are supporting crime and addiction.  So which is it,  Dragon (like the Grand Dragon?) Knight (as in Crusader out to conquer foreign lands)? 

Are you for the criminal or the police?  Your actions show you support criminal behavior.  Like a Tim McVeigh.  Are you?

 Is it really bad parenting that has given us "so many haters, excluders, minority bashers, *** slapers, bulliers in and out of school, drug pushers, drug users, violence-lovers, government-loather and of course, the vitriol spreaders" or is it really the vile and depraved  influences children see and hear on television, in movies, in music, in the books they are required to read, and in the schools where they are taught to hate America, be promiscuous, how to have oral sex, use a condom, use and obtain birth control (even for 12 year olds), always consider an abortion when birth control fails or is used improperly, that one's sex can be a changing event depending on what your daily attitude might be, and even told they have the right to ignore their parent's moral teachings.

And who are the purveyor's of all of the above? The left because the liberals/Progressives own the media, rule the movie and music business, rule the public educational system, and are the majority in academia.

The left cannot stand to have children's parents have authority over them so with their decades of interference, brainwashing and indoctrination, what are the results? Kids without a stable family which is the number one thing they need to grow up healthy and whole. The left has taken that away from kids with its incessant attack on the family.

Kids do not need more leftist's rules controlling them.

 

Anti-hater:

Now, I know your theory is to just stop funding the criminal system (no courts, no judges, no police) and all addiction support services (which will increase crime). You would have these people running around killing people, shooting up, and corrupting our children bc it is their American right to be free of government rules and regulations (after all, you believe, the government is the enemy not the murdering, drug induced scum who prey on peace-loving people). 

 First off, you have no idea what my beliefs are and your hysteria shows that you're on a rant and a fishing-trip to find a weakness in my rational.  But for you information, the government is not the enemy but politicians who are self-serving are, as are those politicians that have an angenda to to make the citizens of the United States wards of the state.  I am also in favor of adding to law-enforcement budget and to slim the bloated government offices and bloated elected officials salary in order to pay for it.  And, just to make you more suspicious of me, I do favor term limits.

Anti-hater:

Do you believe that police are to be supported in their efforts?  Why are guns then allowed?  Why do we allow automatic weapons and large clips to get in the hands of criminals who try to kill police.  I'd say you are anti-police.  An anarchist.  A terrorist. 

So now you know I support law-enforcement and guns are allowed because the constitution says we are allowed to have them.  And yes I am a member of the NRA.  And for your information, we as citizens of Washington do not allow automatic weapondry to be had not only by the law-abiding citizens much less than criminals.  To use this argument shows complete disregard to facts as well as laws and says alot about your mindset.  As for the rest?  According to your mindset that is also called hate-speech which is why you probably support the bill, because you have such an anger-management problem that you use such buzz- words to insult others(Makes you feel good about yourself I bet).

Anti-hater:

Because without supporting change in our kids, for them to be free of violence and addiction (78% of all crime is related to substance abuse, which I suppose is statistics babble) you are supporting crime and addiction. 

My answer to this is, yes, it is statistical babble.  As a society, we need to use the law on the books and support the death penalty.  If anyone is caught dealing/growing/manufacturing drugs then an automatic death penalty should be imposed due to the crime/deaths they are involved in.  This won't stop substance abuse, but, that argument is just a smokescreen to hide your anger-management issue and the fact that you want the state to have a citizenry of brain-washed children, something which I have already stated to not subjecting my children and grand children to.

So, again, all this bill is is just another way to make WA state into a nanny-state and to bloat an already bloated government.  Use your rhtoric and name calling until your blue in the face (or your fingers fall-off) and prove what you really are as you cannot defend this bill in rational manner.

 

DK

 

solution, please?

 The constitution also said black men are 3/5ths of a human being and that women don't have the right to vote so the framers were as wrong about gun ownership as they were about those two items.  The Constitution ought to be changed to say you can shoot Bambi if you must to see the joy of death in a living thing if it gets you off, but other guns that are only used to shoot humans are off-limits in today's day and age.  If this makes us into a nanny-state, I am all for it.

No one is for bloated government and wasteful spending. 

But I am in favor of brainwashing children....into being caring individuals and that caring for others is not an un-Christian thing to do, despite the hypocricy of so-called "Christians" who care only for themselves.  I find the people who tell you they "talk" to God are just talking to themselves and trying to come up with some rational for their selfish behaviors.  If being truly Christian and not "fake" Christian means I'm touchy-feely and should be made fun of, and that I'm too soft and you're just a big bad tough guy, well, I'm comfortable with that. 

I think big bad tough guys who want the violence to continue because they won't do anything to stop it except put more police on the street are going to be history.  Illinois has made social-emotional learning mandatory and it's going to come to WA whether you think it's taking over your role as a parent or not. 

And don't worry - when they teach the kids at school how to think when you are angry, you can show them at home how a reactionary thinks when he is angry.  I wonder which idea they will think is better.

I have no anger-management issues that I know of now, but when I was younger I certainly did.  How about you?  Any anger issues about missing the old days without all these new fangled ideas being spread by these socialists?   Some people were against electricity as the Devil's work, you know. 

I can hear Dylan now.....The times, they are a-changin'

Anti-hater:

The Constitution ought to be changed to say you can shoot Bambi if you must to see the joy of death in a living thing if it gets you off, but other guns that are only used to shoot humans are off-limits in today's day and age.  If this makes us into a nanny-state, I am all for it.

 

 

And now that anti-gun comes out in you.

Typical Dem.  Upset that the supreme court actually ruled for the constitution rather than to actively change it.

And of course your for a "nanny state" most Dems are.

And of course free speech if only for those that agree with you and your ideals right?

DK

 Of course, I am anti-automatic, non-hunting guns.  That you are for these destructive machines based on an 18th century need for weapons is the puzzlement. 

I am upset that this Supreme Court is an activist court, e.g. changing corporate giving to show you, yes you, how to vote so they can reap profits off red-necks and liberals alike.  I'm upse that this Court is going usurp the people's power and the people of Florida when they decided the outcome of the election to hand it to W.  Can't get more activitst than deciding a presidential election.

Of course, I am for a nanny state - absolutely bc isn't that the job of a country - to care for its citizens?  If not that, what?  A repeat of the anarchy of Katrina?   If you want survival of the fittest, the jungle is waiting for you.

I believe in free speech, not violent, threatening speech which is an assault upon those that desire peace.  I assume you want peace. 

You're entitled to believe and say what you want - but before you make a decision why not investigate it - www.casel.org - tell me that this is bad for children and tell me what is bad for children in it.  Will you?

Anti-hater:

You're entitled to believe and say what you want - but before you make a decision why not investigate it - www.casel.org - tell me that this is bad for children and tell me what is bad for children in it.  Will you?

 

 Instead of giving me a website full of propaganda, show me emperical evidence.

But to answer your question, why is it that the only science (psychology) is the only science that is based on ancedotal evidence and proof?  In other words nothing measurable.  Take Cal Ripkin's reading program in MD for example...  That progress is measurable.

Remember Freud was a fraud.  And, I will not have the state brainwashing my children, or children's children.  I live in a rural area, not an urban area for which this program is designed, unless of course you are also for the forced urbanization of the populace to make it easier for the Government to control its populace.

Dems, always blaming W for stealing the election,  What about Al Franken that stole the election with three recounts, or more importantly, the queen Christine who won the election with the best one out of three recounts?   That is stealing but you don't hear us independents crying about spilled milk, we are out there actively trying to educate the people to show what a socialist state can and will do to its populace.  Not to mention that we are keeping track of the businesses that are moving out of state because of the anti-business climate of the state, which will be available for all when election time comes.

And it is not the job of the government to care for it's people.  The job of the government is to govern it's people.  In other words to make laws  for the country, to the extent of what the Constituion allows.  Not to subject the populace to mind control.

OH and why don't you educate yourself with hunting and gun laws.  There is not one that uses an automatic gun to hunt, and there is no place that allows it.  This is just showing your ignorance and prejudice.

 

DK

 OH NO! Public indoctrination schools cannot fulfill their obligation to teach basic education, and now you want to add emotional learning? Please get some common sense! This is just a more blatant way to BRAINWASH children who have no choice but to be in public indoctrination schools.

VOTE NO!

Comment to the Washington State Legislature: When posting bill information, why don't you post the party affiliation of those who are sponsoring the bills? So far, every ludicrous bill I've seen has been sponsored by DEMOCRATS!

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 1. I am a woman.

2. When I was growing up, way before politcal-correctness and parents acquiescing their authority to the liberals who believe only they are smart enough to tell everyone how to think and act, I learned from my mother, my relatives, the neighborhood adults, and my church community how to control my emotions, how to treat other children, how to have respect for adults, and how to take responsibility for my actions.

It is my belief that parents, not the public schools, and certainly not the liberals who control both the state and schools, are the ones who are responsible for their children.

It is the STATE with its interference in parental rights and its encouraging the breakup of the family that is directly responsible for the mess plenty of children are in.

Now I really wish I was back to school, I know I needed this king of education in my troubling teen years. I do hope that this form of education will have an impact on the students of today, emotional education is so important and somehow it was almost entirely ignored all these years. Now that I have my human services degree I am willing to get involved in projects of this kind, it's to make a difference.