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    2008 Senate Bill 6841 (Restricting possession of weapons at institutions of higher education)

    Introduced in the Senate on January 28, 2008

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  • 01-29-2008 10:53 AM In reply to

    Dems fear guns

    yup... let's make colleges "gun free zones", so some wacko like what's-his-name Cho who shot up VT last fall can waltz in and terrorize the place... sheesh, what is it with Democrats and guns anyway? is it part of their party philosophy to hate and fear firearms and their owners, or is it a personal thing?
  • 01-29-2008 12:39 PM In reply to

    Wrong approach

    If educators with concealed carry permits had their firearms with them, horrible incidents could be prevented. Just the knowledge that somebody could be armed can reduce incidents. If something did happen, an armed citizen cuold be in a position to stop the incident before it goes further. The idea that you can legislate bad people from doing crazy things is insane in itself. The better approach is to be armed and prepared.
  • 01-29-2008 9:09 PM In reply to

    Dems consider people who carry weapons to be mentally ill?

    So when you read the bill, did you notice the provision mandating a mental health evaluation for anyone carry a weapon at an institution of higher learning? And what about the automatic revocation of a concealed carry liscense? This bill is patently offensive to me as a law abiding gun owner.
  • 01-31-2008 1:06 PM In reply to

    Less Rights?

    Why should students have diminished rights? You are taking away their constitutional freedoms. Are you going to take away their free speech next? Or only if they oppose you?
  • 01-31-2008 6:19 PM In reply to

    Gun Free Zones

    Obviously, the Idiots who sponsored this bill expect the criminals to leave their guns at the gate when pursuing their criminal activities on campus.
  • 02-01-2008 8:39 AM In reply to

    Face the facts!

    Mr. Murray, I fail to understand how making a new law prohibiting guns on college and university campuses is going to make those campuses safer. EVERY campus in the state is already designated as a “gun free zone” EVERY campus already has administrative policy stating guns are prohibited except for law enforcement officers and certain events. And I am pretty sure EVERY campus and school in America that has had a massacre on their campus was a “gun free zone” with policies prohibiting guns on campus. I seem to remember being taught in the Academy that criminals were people who disregarded the laws for their own purposes. I seem to remember being taught that irrational or emotionally disturbed people do not generally conduct themselves in a manner acceptable to polite society. I seem to remember being told that despite our best efforts there would be times that bad things would happen to good people because unfortunately we as law enforcement could not be everywhere something bad was happening. And yet you seem to believe the passage of yet another piece of paper with words prohibiting guns on college and university campuses is somehow going to induce the criminally or irrationally minded people in society to fins somewhere else to victimize people. If I remember correctly we have laws prohibiting the use/sales of drugs on our campus too. Stop by some day and see how well that is working out for the campuses. Maybe you will finally understand that the laws are only as effective as the resources that can be put to enforcing them. And if that does not give you an idea of how irrelevant this law would be for protecting our children, friends and co-workers, think on this for a moment. Every single school, university or campus shooting in America saw innocent people dying underneath the umbrella of existing “no guns on campus” rules. All of those stern words in those law books and all of those pretty signs saying “Gun Free Zone” did nothing to deter the bloodshed. Don’t be naive enough to think this new law would be any different.
  • 02-02-2008 9:36 PM In reply to

    So much for our State Constitution

    Maybe Mr. Murray needs to re-read Article I Section 24 of our states constitution.Here let me quote it for him. "The right of the individual citizen to bear arms in defense of himself, or the state, shall not be impaired". I fail to see how this bill does not impair our right to defend ourselves.
  • 02-06-2008 12:48 AM In reply to

    Paranoia strikes deep

    No matter how many facts are presented; no matter how many times it is proven that laws that restrict firearms only apply to law abiding citizens and that criminals, social rejects, and killers will ignore any law to do their dirty work; no matter how many studies are conducted that prove them wrong; the paranoid delusions of most anti-gun lawmakers and social elite, severely impairs their logical thought process to the point of reckless endangerment of our students and faculty members. Now that we've had time to digest the horrors of Virginia Tech, The anti-gun idiots in this state have once again seized upon the knee-jerk emotional and useless approach known as “gun free zones” that will have absolutely no effect in realistically dealing with these killers on the loose in our schools. I must speak out. We're inundated with lies that guns and lawful carry are the roots of evil, and to let the police be the only ones to carry guns to protect us. Like they protected that university? I think not. Even the Supreme Court has ruled that the police are NOT tasked with any mandate to protect anyone. We're brainwashed by editorials from paranoid pontificators who would deprive society of the basic right of self-defense. Of course, they're wrong, and their arguments absurd. Anyone who believes that "pistol-packin' teachers" or any other lawfully authorized citizens, who have been screened, tested, and certified to be licensed to carry a firearm, are a threat in modern schools is simply blind to reality. When these delusional idiots attempt ban “lawful” carry, they in affect, promote “unlawful” carry into a disarmed shooting gallery where the only people who will have guns in are sociopathic losers like Seung-Hui Cho at Virginia Tech. In every case where a shooter has gone on a rampage, the institution where it happened had already been declared a “gun free” zone. It is comparable to posting a sign that says “Come here to kill, you won’t find anyone capable of defending against you!” It is also a fact that has been kept secret by our anti-gun media, that in many cases where bloodshed has been minimized or stopped completely, it is a lawfully authorized pistol-packin' teacher or student who prevents bloodshed once an assailant begins their rampage; NOT the police or any “security’ guard and almost always while those armed police who are supposed to protect, are miles away. These same media editors are also accessories to murder before and after the fact because they make these killers into media folk heroes and allow these social losers to insure their macabre epitaphs are immortalized in every headline and article published just to sell sensationalism and papers. Thus every unstable social reject can become a copy cat killer. By attempting to deprive our teachers and society of the right to carry a gun, our fine upstanding lawmakers and social engineers, who talk the good talk about how much they care for the safety of our students and faculty, sentence many to die at the hands of lunatics like Cho without any means to defend themselves or others. Well done Olympia! Well done!!!
  • 02-06-2008 2:04 PM In reply to

    Citizen

    I think that the author and sponsors of this bill are the ones that warrant the Mental Evaluation. Their perceptions are so far in the clouds that they cannot perceive reality.
  • 02-07-2008 11:12 PM In reply to

    Unconstitutional and Ineffective

    This proposal is so completely out in left field. It will do nothing to improve safety. As if the wachos who go on sick twisted rampages will comply. Get your head out of the clouds. Oh yah, this is also unconstitutional (US and WA State).
  • 02-08-2008 12:38 AM In reply to

    What say ye?

    Why are you so silent on your proposed new law, Mr. Murray? Are you not willing to defend it in this public forum? I say to you, no you are not. I and how it affects the honest and law-abiding citizen. I really suspect that you are one of these "professional" life-long politicians that push this kind of garbage only to get your name into circulation (in this case it worked, I know I've never heard of you before, and oh by the way, I hope I never do again.) It is self-serving political pimps like you that really hurt this country and state.
  • 02-08-2008 12:40 AM In reply to

    What say ye? (corrected)

    Why are you so silent on your proposed new law, Mr. Murray? Are you not willing to defend it in this public forum? I say to you, no you are not. I don't beleive you really care how it affects the honest and law-abiding citizen. I really suspect that you are one of these "professional" life-long politicians that push this kind of garbage only to get your name into circulation (in this case it worked, I know I've never heard of you before, and oh by the way, I hope I never do again.) It is self-serving political pimps like you that really hurt this country and state.
  • 02-20-2008 10:48 AM In reply to

    FROM MY COLD DEAD HANDS

    Just another back door attempt at gun control. Bill makes little or no sense.
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