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Hi, nice site, good work! Thank you!,Hi, nice site, good work! Thank you!

I just hope you have a reason besides "It's disgusting." Not that you require one (they certainly didn't to pass this bill!), but I hope you do all the same. And on top of that, I hope you have one that hasn't already been contradicted in the past debates here. Somehow I find that unlikely.

Discusting is pretty clear.To the point and accurate as well.

Very well put. It is nice to see the facts displayed for once instead of opinion and personal preferance.

If we should outlaw bestiality because it is disgusting, why shouldn't we outlaw all disgusting behavior? Homosexuality was considered disgusting once too, you know. So was inter-racial relationships. Disgusting has never been, and never will be, a good reason.

one must realize the difference between 'beastiality' and 'zoofillia'. I don't condone beastiality because it can be concidered rape. zoos on the other hand *or paw* are emotionally attatched and CARE about the welfare of the other. *this goes in BOTH directions here!* must say YES to strengthening the laws ALREADY on the books as another said in this thread and leave the 'zoos' alone. it's their privacy.. I don't down others for THEIR paraphillia.

Superb! (I wrote something else and then I read below that I aint supposed ter. So I deleted it.)

First off, disgusting is a clear reason..why because we are humans people!!! humans talk about how great they are and how animals are dumb....yet they are willing to have sex with them. WE'RE A DIFFERENT SPECIES! My god! Its as sick as incest or anything like that! Yuck, who cares what the reason is..they have 4 legs and a tail that should be enough.

I think this bill basically is nothing more than a case of someone traying to use their moral bias to squelch an an otherwise free world. They may have their own little sins that they hide but they see a "greater" sin that others are involved in. Thus they choose to overlook their own and stomp on others rights. Plus their is the fact how can a primarily moraly currupt and ungodly society pass moral and Godly laws when you really have no basis for it other than oh my it makes me feel gross. Hell there's many things out ther that make me feel this way. I ignore it do to the fact it is not hurting me and it is only harming those involved and it is not as yet illeagle, but soon it may be just because somone does not like it and wants people to believe as they do. Face it sooner or later this country will be just like many other communist countries with everything being watched and dictated. It is a matter of letting "your morals stay out of my way and I will be just fine". No one is without sin or God so they have no right to pass judgement on others who are doing harmless acts.

I believe it should not be prohibited on just the sole base of what most of you naysayers call "immoral". It is indeed an act that most would not do, but most do think about. It is only natural to love and want to get closer to another living mammal no matter what species. Over 60% of the world population participates in sexual relations with animals and even a higher percentage watch or think about it. People have the damn freedom to choose what they have sex with. Are you going to prohibit sex with inanimate objects too? I say let the people choose and this is just another law to take away our rights!! LET THE PEOPLE HAVE SEX WITH ANIMALS! There are worst things out there to be worrying about besides animal sex! It's not cruelty, about 99.9% of the animals participating aren't really forced to do it, they do it themselves. The sexual necessity needs to be filled one way or another and I believe that all the people in DC need to let the people vote on this matter. There will be protests on both sides sooner or later. FREEDOM!!

I agree with the other commenter, there are other disgusting things too. First of all this is not as disgusting as incest or people eating other people's feces. That's disgusting and so is homosexuality! Also the whole different species thing, get over it! and most that say it's disgusting, quit hiding it and admit you've thought about it. If people want to have sex with an animal, let them! It's there damn choice and that's what I'm sticking to. This so called "land of the free" is turning into a big country of laws prohibiting people from doing what they enjoy!! To put it simply, SCREW THIS BILL!!

People justify their wrongful actions with all kinds of reasons. Land of the Free does not mean you get to do whatever you want. It means the majority VOTES on it. We are still a society with moral standards. Just because 'other' people do other things you consider to be more perverse does not make having sex with animals morally right. It's not morally right to take advantage of anything whether it's a child, a person who is mentally encapable of protecting themselves, or an animal in your trust. Wrong is wrong.

basis that it's disgusting is subjective since other people get their jollies off of it. Therefore, the only argument to support this bill is it animal rape? Well, it can be, but then again, I've seen pets rub against thier owners in ways that they should be doing with females of their species. So I think it depends. And if it depends, then we really shouldn't enact a bill as solid as the one we have made, because it may not always be rape. So if the bill doesn't have guidlines but simply outlaws it straight out, how can we be sure were not simply just using a biased opinion of what is right and what is wrong?

Just because an animal rubs against you and shows you affection doesn't mean the animal wants you to mount it and go at it. My cat gives me love bites and rolls around on the floor displaying submission does that mean the animal is inviting me to sexually molest it? Don't think so. Besides it's an ANIMAL. It doesn't have any ethical standards. Supposidly humans do. Sometimes I wonder.

So your against gays though.

Where did you get these statistics exactly. Not that I'm against people/animal love, as long as you are able to somehow prove it. I mean its only by the dominant species putting up these restrictions based on a majority opinion that such an act in this sort of developed society is immoral when really if you where to look at the simple fact that creation of diverse species much less their sexual attraction has no morals. And if you ask me in the grand scale of existence these laws matter very little and really boils down to if the two creatures are as they say "into it", though I guess since most of these other animals are so low on development of their own brain it does get complicated as to if they have a real understanding of the act of love or what their doing.

Well actually I don't really think the species difference think counts for much, just cause we've evolved farther than others doesn't mean we should be restricted these things. I'm not saying I've done this sort of thing, its just that when you see a fox mounting a wolf you question the boundaries, also, afterwards when you realize they were both MALES your really gonna need a scotch cause my god I'm not joking about this situation, I don't even know whats right anymore, this subject is just way to over thought. I guess if their both into it or something, I'm trying to figure this out as I go along honestly because like three day ago I was with a photography class passed northern Toronto and I saw a vulpes red fox on a feaking canin lupus timber wolf and i thought ow wow this creates an interesting perspective, but then right after i finished in the dark room dennis tells me their both guys like an hour ago and i'm totally freakin out. then i start thinking if it matters for humans and i'm here. can someone make sense of this for me please.

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you are a sick person... animals have rights too. if a child were to get raped like this, the person would be charged, why is an animal any different?! your beliefs sicken me.

In short, it's not necessarily rape. People need to remember that. That's why this bill is wrong, it provides for no exceptions, and it should.

morally unethical and completely self indulgent.

I find it amusing that every single nay-sayer of beast/human sexual relationships has, at some point, thought about it, watched it, touched themselves to it, or have actually participated. It's even funnier knowing that it's a guarantee of probability that some of the politicians who voted for this law have had sex with an animal at some point, and enjoyed it thoroughly. Haha.

I would just like to point out that this bill is in direct violation of seperation of Church and state Gov. Gregoir and her cronies are basically playing God and passing moralistic laws based on their own biases. They are forcing their ideals down other peoples throats an picking and choosing which things are and are not morally right based their own judgement. Let me point out no man or woman is God therefore their judgement is null and void in this instance. They will allow child murder, soddomy, and rights for same sex couples, pornography, etc... But they choose to make this one act a felony based on their own bias. People God will not tolerate a hipocrit. It is made very plain in the bible. So if you are passing morral judgement you better make sure all things considered a sin in Gods eyes carry the same punishment. You also need to understand that their are two classes of animal lovers. Zoophiles and beastophiles. Zoophiles love their animals and spoil them and seek an mutual loving relationship with their pet partner, they do not abuse or force themselves on them. The beastophile on the other hand tends to be abusive and cruel to the animal and does not care how they treat it. They will restrain it, torture it, neglect it etc..  You are being unfair when you throw everyone into a large basket so to speak.  Contrary to poular beileif animals in their own way can and do give consent to intimate acts. Point in fact their have been cases where an animal have initiated the contact.

 Are you an atheist, as well as a "zoophile"?  It seems that persons engaging in aberrant behaviors, usually have the strongest arguments "for" the behavior.  Hmmm...It's a blessing that their are heterosexuals in the world to appreciate for procreation, last time I checked, neither homosexuals, nor horses could birth you.  Ugh!

i am a zoophile and i will represent the charges against me.

people often look to the short term when deciding a problem. you don't have to deal with it, so you cease to care. only when you think about a condition and its implications do you finally come to terms with understanding what it means. people often say someone is evil or disgusting without the opportunity to meet such a person face to face. funny how we stopped hating the germans and japanese when we occupied their countries to stabilize economies and smooth the peace process.

it's all a matter of cultural familiarity and as long as no one can know a zoophile in real life as they have the opportunity to know a homosexual or acknowledge the insights of the gay culture that t.v. provides, this entire argument is pointless.

i am apparently your unkown bogeyman and as long you fear what i am to such an extent that you restrict how i choose to live my life, then any words i choose to use are void, for no one will listen except for entertainment purposes.

however, it is important that you understand two things-bestiality is not an isolated incident; there are thousands-maybe millions-on forums you would never visit, and they talk about everything from health tips for their beloved partner, to mundane everyday things you are all accustomed to like music and movies. this is not a secluded little niche of scizophrenic hillbillies, but an entire chunk of normality going on under your noses with their own brand of culture-just like gays.

they use acronyms like: HLITG; horse loving is the game.

and the sad fact is that when a bill like this comes up, they cannot lobby for their rights like any other invested minority before them because people will take that opportunity to hunt and kill and destroy each of them that comes up to speak.