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2008 House Bill 2895 (Establishing a license program for the practice of interior design)

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  • Introduced by Rep. Brendan Williams, (D-Olympia) on January 17, 2008, to establish a licensure program for the practice of interior design. This act, among other things, would require an applicant to have received a diploma from an accredited institution offering interior design programs. This act also creates administrative oversight and penalties for violations of this act.
    • Referred to the House Commerce & Labor Committee on January 17, 2008.

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Introduced by Rep. Brendan Williams, (D-Olympia) on January 17, 2008. New Comment

1) California Interior Design Legislation [by Anonymous Citizen on March 25, 2008]
They lost in Washington State but the Interior Design Cartel of ASID/IIDA/NCIDQ is trying to pass an Interior Design Practic Act in CALIFORNIA.

If this passes, it will be used to justify legislation in Washington State next year.

If you have design industry friends in California the time is now to let them know about this DANGEROUS LEGISLATION.

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California Interior Design Legislation & Licensing-IDCC Launches Push for Restrictive Interior Design Practice Act in Califronia

We've just heard that the Interior Design Cartel ASID/IIDA/NCIDQ & the College Interior Design Schools are launching a campaign to pass a restrictive Interior Design Practice Act & Licensing bill in California. This bill will remove the voluntary system currenty in effect in California.

In California the "front group" for the Interior Design Cartel is called IDCC:
www-idc-ca-org

The Califronia Bill Number is Senate Bill 1312 (SB 1312).

Here's a statement from the IDCC website:

"The Interior Design Coalition of California Presents Practice Act Legislation"

The Interior Design Coalition of California (IDCC) announces that after three years of research and meetings throughout California that they are sponsoring Senate Bill 1312 which will be introduced in April. Senator Leland Lee, PhD, is the author, and the Coalition has been able to secure many co-authors to support this action."


Please contact your California State Legislator and California State Senator to voice your OPPOSITION to new Interior Design Legislation in California and the restrictive Interior Design Practice Act SB 1312 that is being pushed by the Interior Design Cartel and IDCC.


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2) AGREE [by Anonymous Citizen on March 28, 2008]
Yes, I agree with the opposition and with the way the bill was worded and the strict requirments, it does shut the doors for new designers. BUT I also support the Registering or Lic of Interior Designers. What makes them special and exempt from same Lic. requirements we Contractors go through.
It's very simple, 4-Years experience, State test, Lic, Bond...and move on.
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3) The New Unions-Forbes Magazine [by Anonymous Citizen on February 14, 2008]
Go to the Forbes Article that just came out called "The New Unions" by Suzanne Hoppough.

Register on Forbes and post your comments opposing interior design legislation.
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4) Milton Freidman on Interior Design Laws [by Anonymous Citizen on February 12, 2008]



1) Milton Freidman on Interior Design [by Anonymous Citizen on February 11, 2008]


1) Milton Freidman on Interior Design Legislation [by Anonymous Citizen on February 11, 2008]
Milton Friedman, Capitalism and Freedom, 1962

The overthrow of the medieval guild system was an indispensable early step in the rise of freedom in the Western world. It was a sign of the triumph of liberal ideas, and widely recognized as such, that by the mid-nineteenth century, in Britain, the United States, and to a lesser extent on the continent of Europe, men could pursue whatever trade or occupation they wished without the by-your-leave of any governmental or quasi-governmental authority. In more recent decades, there has been a retrogression, an increasing tendency for particular occupations to be restricted to individuals licensed to practice them by the state.

In the arguments that seek to persuade legislatures to enact such licensure provisions, the justification is always said to be the necessity of protecting the public interest. However, the pressure on the legislature to license an occupation rarely comes from the members of the public who have been mulcted or in other ways abused by members of the occupation. On the contrary, the pressure invariably comes from members of the occupation itself. Of course, they are more aware than others of how much they exploit the customer and so perhaps they can lay claim to expert knowledge. Similarly, the arrangements made for licensure almost invariably involve control by members of the occupation which is to be licensed.




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5) Fiscal note from SB6707 [by Anonymous Citizen on February 10, 2008]



There is a similar bill proposed on the Senate side.

The fiscal note attached to SB 6707 indicates that the cost of this legislation over the next five years to be $1,141,798.00.

Who is going to pay for this?




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6) You can't kill a zombie [by Anonymous Citizen on February 7, 2008]


It kind of looks like this legislation is not going to happen this year.
Something to remember is that these people are like zombies.
They'll keep coming back year after year. You can't stop them.

Maybe now might be a good time to create an alliance to prepare for the next alliance. Strip out the emotion and get down to the solid arguments and maybe buy a lobbyist of our own?



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7) Interior Design Hearings [by Anonymous Citizen on February 6, 2008]
WA interior designers fight each other over license bill
By RACHEL LA CORTE
ASSOCIATED PRESS WRITER

OLYMPIA, Wash. -- The battle lines aren't over color swatches or accent walls, but interior designers are fighting over whether they should face greater oversight and be licensed by the state.

While groups like the Interior Design Coalition of Washington are pushing for more regulation, others argue that such requirements would put many designers out of business.

"What is the real purpose of this legislation?" Michael Bindas, staff attorney for the Institute for Justice, asked the Senate Labor, Commerce, Research & Development Committee on Tuesday. "It's not prompted by any public outcry. It's called for by industry insiders to restrict entry into the profession."

Sen. Jeanne Kohl-Welles, D-Seattle and chairwoman of the committee, said the measure wasn't likely to get out of committee this year.

Kohl-Welles said that while 22 states, plus Washington, D.C., and Puerto Rico, regulate interior designers to varying standards, there doesn't appear to be any consistency state-by-state.

"The bottom line is that there's too much controversy with this bill for us to adequately deal with it all in a short session," she said after the hearing was over.

Currently, interior design is not regulated at all in Washington state.

Under the measure, interior designers would have to be registered with the state, and interior designer firms could not use the words 'interior design' unless they were registered.

The measure would establish the Washington State Board of Interior Design, which would establish standards and procedures for registration, licensing and other guidelines.

Registered designers would be required to have a degree in interior design or 15 years experience, to have passed a qualification exam and to provide proof of two years of experience. The examination requirement would be waived for designers who are registered in another state and have a certificate from the National Council for Interior Design.

Registration would have to be renewed every two years.

Violators could be charged with a misdemeanor and if convicted could be fined as much as $1,000 per offense per day they violated the law.

Marie Lail Blackburn of MLB Design Group, a certified master kitchen and bath designer with 20 years experience, told the committee that while she is a qualified design professional, she would not qualify under the measure as it was currently written.

"And there are thousands of other designers who don't qualify either," she said.

But supporters said that professional interior designers need to be held accountable for keeping people healthy and safe in the spaces they design.

"We need this bill because right now anyone can call themselves an interior designer, regardless of education or experience," said Stephanie Deshaies, president of the Interior Design Coalition of Washington.

Deshaies said that the bill wasn't about home design.

Instead, she said it was to ensure public safety and health in large buildings, where ergonomics, the use of nontoxic materials and other safety issues were at play.

Increased standards would benefit everyone, the bill's sponsor, Sen. Ken Jacobsen, told the committee.

"I really didn't realize there was a difference in training," said Jacobsen, D-Seattle. "Some people have extensive amounts of training and as a consumer, I want the market to work and I think I should be informed."

The bill would exempt licensed architects, retail employees giving advice on interior design or furnishings, or a person who gives decorative help in selecting things like window treatments, paint and furniture.

The Institute for Justice successfully challenged a similar measure in New Mexico last year, and is currently challenging a similar bill in Texas. Last year, the Alabama Supreme Court struck down a similar licensing law.

The high court ruled that the Alabama law was so broad that it requires people to be licensed as interior designers who simply offer advice on what color to paint a living room or what types of throw pillows to use.

Deshaies said that the Washington state measure was crafted differently.

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The interior design licensing bill is Senate Bill 6707

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8) Standards? [by Anonymous Citizen on February 6, 2008]
Somehow the ASIDers think the longer their statements the more believable they are. This is the same old, same old coming out of ASID national as they try to force their will on the designers in Washington State.

Don't let them succeed.

The State of Florida has a practice act and they have hired an outside law firm to search the internet for any designer that uses the words interior, design, designer and Florida in the same paragraph on their website.

They then send out cease and desist orders and injunctions agains unsuspecting designers.

All this legislation does is legally allow one group of designers to use the government to put other designers out of business.

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9) Regulation [by Anonymous Citizen on February 6, 2008]
There are currently no standards means for determining qualifications to practice interior design in Washington State: anyone can be an interior designer and perform the functions of the profession.

Those practicing interior design in Washington State are not required to have any formal education in interior design.

Those practicing interior design in Washington State are not required to pass a professional examination that ensures a minimum level of competency in interior design.

Those practicing interior design in Washington State are not required to belong to a professional organization which monitors ethics, professional standards, and continuing education.

It is possible for someone without education or experience in interior design to practice interior design. Anyone can currently design and specify materials and finishes for use in hospitals, high rise condominium buildings, office structures, and hotel tower. The only way to ensure that the public occupies interior spaces that are safe is to define and regulate those qualified to practice interior design.

While there are codes surrounding egress and interior finishes/materials, building and health code officials do not have the time or manpower to review construction documents to a level that guarantees 100% compliance: they rely on the credentials of the professionals working on the documents to comply.

All professionals involved in construction documents are licensed except interior designers. Architects, engineers, contractors, and landscape architects are all registered and all have specific areas of expertise: for interior designers to be excluded from regulation is an oversight that can affect the outcome of a project.

No one on the project team has the ability to ensure compliance expertise in interior design except those who have interior design education, those that have passed a professionally recognized examination (NCIDQ), and those that have appropriate interior design experience.

In projects involving only non-load bearing and non-seismic construction, no supervision from an architect or engineer is required: anyone can perform the functions of interior design. Regulation of interior designers would ensure that the public has a guide by which to gauge a level of qualification.

The selection of inappropriate interior materials can contribute to fires, including ignition, spread rate, deadly gases and smoke. Interior designers are knowledgeable of fire codes, and are often the only member of a project team responsible for interior finish material specifications.

Building owners are subject to claims made because of slip-and-fall injuries due to inappropriate flooring material selections and non-code compliant transitions between flooring materials. Interior designers know minimum specification standards that can minimize slip and fall injuries.

Special provisions must be made in public facilities to be in compliance with the ADA. Interior designers are aware of these provisions and are able to identify when current facilities do not meet code, to what extent building owners are responsible for changes to be made, and to facilitate those changes. Building owners can be subject to lawsuits and to personal injury and damage claims should their facility be constructed without regard to ADA.

The Department of Labor reported that over 2.5 million workdays were lost in a recent year due to injuries and illness. Many of these illnesses were reported as “Sick Building Syndrome” (SBS) and occurred for a variety of reasons, including inappropriate material specifications and adhesives used during installation of finishes. Individuals working in sick building environments for extended periods of time can develop flu-like symptoms. It is the responsibility of a professional interior designer to educate and assist clients in the promotion of healthy, safe work/living environments.

If inappropriate materials are selected for use within an interior space, they can fail and require replacement. Incompetent specifications can cause financial harm to project clients and the public.

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10) Pick up the Phone! [by Anonymous Citizen on February 5, 2008]
Call the offices of your House Rep, your State Senator and every member on the Committee that will be hearing the Bill tomorrow.

It can make an impact! If you are opposed to this Bill tomorrow is the day to Pick up the Phone.

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11) Interior Design Hearings Tomorrow 2/5/08 [by Anonymous Citizen on February 4, 2008]
INTERIOR DESIGN HEARINGS SCHEDULED FOR TOMORROW

Upcoming Events:

New--> February 5th -- Senate Hearing Olympia, WA

1:30 PM in the John A Cherberg Building-Senate Hearing Room 4.


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12) Important Legislation? [by Anonymous Citizen on February 4, 2008]
When we have soooo many other truly important issues (crime, taxes, the economy, transportation, the list is almost endless), why is the legislature mucking about with this. Let people deal with this. If a designer doesn't know what they’re doing or screws things up, there are legal recourse the clients can take and the designer won't be in business long.
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13) Why the government? [by Anonymous Citizen on February 4, 2008]
This is government sponsored marketing. Nothing more, nothing less.
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14) How come their work is flammable? [by Anonymous Citizen on February 3, 2008]
If you go to the IDCW website you will find a public listing of the designers advocating to lock out competition.

Check out some of their websites.

The materials they recommend are FLAMMABLE!!!!!!!!

Some of the pictures even include lit candles.

The people who would market themselves with images they won't allow others to use.............
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15) 4000 Square Foot Exemption? [by Anonymous Citizen on February 3, 2008]
So let me get this straight.

Us poor slobs who can't afford a home larger than 4000 square feet will not be protected by the government from rogue interior designers while our rich neighbors in the 4001 square foot home will be?




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16) 4000 SF exemption? [by Anonymous Citizen on February 3, 2008]
I've read about an amendment that exempts projects of less than 4000 square feet from this legislation.

Can somebody please point this exemption out?
I cannot find it in the bill language
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17) Without a job you can't get certified [by Anonymous Citizen on February 3, 2008]


To the coalition board: Where do the jobs come from?

Stephanie Deshaies: How many designers do you employ?

Kristi Hanna: How many designers do you employ?

Linda Cohen: How many designers do you employ?

Ernest Rhoads: How many designers do you employ?

If you don't employ designers how will they qualify to compete with you?
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18) Response [by Anonymous Citizen on February 4, 2008]
The firm I work for has four interior designers on staff (including myself)...and hires many other interior design consultants for specific projects such as way-finding, etc.
Ernest Rhoads, ASID
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19) UNprofessional! [by Anonymous Citizen on February 3, 2008]
Dropping specific names like that on a public forum is just nasty! How do you prove to your clients that you are, in fact, capable of behaving like a professional?

If we are going to get specific about the people that support this bill, why not list the 500 people that signed the bill in support? Designers, principals, ARCHITECTS from such substantial firms as NBBJ, GGLO, Mithun, CollinsWoerman, Weber Thompson, and the list goes on...
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20) Duh! Conflict of Interest [by Anonymous Citizen on February 3, 2008]


Listing the 500 signers would be ridiculous.

They have a conflict of interest.

Isn't that obvious to you????

The more people they lock out, the more money they make.
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21) These people already made themselves public [by Anonymous Citizen on February 3, 2008]


You will find these names on the IDCW website.

These people have publicly aligned themselves for this purpose.
There are more on the list.

My question still remains: How many of these individuals currently employ junior designers? The program they advocate requires employment experience. If they are not offering employment to new students, are they not locking these students out of the career they so professionally advocate for?

Once again, how many do they employ?
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22) Rent Seeking Interior Design Coaltion [by Anonymous Citizen on February 3, 2008]
This bill is a solution looking for a problem.

It is what is known in economic terms as "Rent Seeking"

From Wikipedia:
In economics, rent seeking occurs when an individual, organization, or firm seeks to make money by manipulating the economic and/or legal environment rather than by making a profit through trade and production of wealth. The term comes from the notion of economic rent, but in modern use of the term, rent seeking is more often associated with government regulation and misuse of governmental authority than with land rents.


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23) How many students will find a job? [by Anonymous Citizen on February 3, 2008]


Perhaps the members of the IDCW board might care to list how many aspiring interior designers they currently employ.

This will give you an accurate picture of what the job market really looks like.

How about IDCW?

Want to put YOUR money where your mouth is?



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24) Work Study Students/Junior Designers [by Anonymous Citizen on February 4, 2008]
Besides the regular interior design and administrative staff, I over-see and mentor a number of interior design students and Junior Interior Designers.
As an NCDIQ Certified Interior Designer and Professional Member of ASID, I find it is my duty and pleasure to give back to my industry through teaching and mentoring.
Ernest Rhoads, ASID
NCIDQ Certificate Holder #019976
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25) What happens if there is a recession? [by Anonymous Citizen on February 3, 2008]


What happens if you can't find anyone to hire you after you are done with school?

If nobody hires you how do you get certified?

Does this mean you cannot start a business on your own?



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26) to the students [by Anonymous Citizen on January 31, 2008]
You should be very afraid of this bill. What it means to you is that after you spent all this time earning your degree, you will have to spend at least two more years of either unpaid work or work for minimum wage schlepping around for a RID. That is IF you can find one. It is tough to make it as a designer already, I think this would just kill your dreams. Be afraid, be very very afraid!
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27) RE to the students [by MJudd on February 2, 2008]
they wouldnt be killing your dreams you could still do what you want to do it is just there are many places you go and have to say the pledge and instead of just memorizing it and saying it way dont you learn what all of the words mean and why you say it. do you know why you say under god indivisible? i bet you dont. do you know why we say one nation or liberty and justice for all? do you know why do you know what that all means. i think not. it is not like this applys to the students already graduated. so tell people vote for it not against it. come on people this is a chance to think what we have be saying all these years.
I'm mikaela and i help come up with this idea. just because you dont like it doesnt mean other people dont like it this is a chance to learn isnt that why we went to school?
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28) RE to the students [by Anonymous Citizen on January 31, 2008]
Let’s not go overboard! We are not trying to scare all of you....the reality is this legislation will make breaking into the industry more difficult. Currently in my 5th year in the industry I have a fabulous design job with lots of clients and I make good money at it! You should have the same opportunities! You deserve them!
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29) Youtube this [by Anonymous Citizen on January 31, 2008]


Does this legislation sound like the plot for a movie on YouTube?

How many legislators or IDCW people would like to participate?






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30) Bill number has been changed to HB 3223 [by Anonymous Citizen on January 31, 2008]




These comments should be re-directed to the page for HB 3223.

The bill number was changed so that they did not have to account for these comments.

You can thank the ICDW for this smokescreen.





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31) Question from a student [by Anonymous Citizen on January 30, 2008]
I have a question… I am currently enrolled in a non-CIDA accredited interior design program. According to the NCIDQ website, I will be eligible to sit for my certification exam upon completion of my studies with additional 3 years of work experience under a certified designer or architect (all the Routes require some work experience). Does this legislation allow me to work in this capacity? I have always had every intention of sitting for the NCIDQ, but I worry that this legislation will prevent me from getting the work experience needed for me to qualify. I read the bill, and it does not seem to have allowance for this, unless I am interpreting something incorrectly. Also, how do I get work experience if Architectural firms only hire NCIDQ certified designers? How the heck do I break into the field if this passes?
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32) ANSWER TO THE STUDENTS- THIS BILL IS NOT BAD! [by Anonymous Citizen on February 2, 2008]
I can completely understand the concern students have surrounding this bill. The legislative process in itself can be extremely confusing. There are some organizations out there that have been misinformed and are using scare tactics to frighten people into believing that this bill will hurt people. I encourage everyone to READ THE BILL FOR THEMSELVES. You will see that there are several exemptions in there that excluded a lot of these groups.

To address this student’s specific concerns, I will start by saying that it is NOT hard to get a beginning level position as an interior designer. A lot of people are hiring right now, and if you tap into the right resources, you can have any job you want. Take my case as an example. I moved here 2 years ago, right after graduating, from the Midwest without a job. I sent out a bunch of resumes blindly, not knowing a soul, and had a great job within the month. So please do not let anyone scare you into thinking you’re going to have a hard time. And please, if I can help you at all, let me know, and I’ll give you my contact info.

To answer your question about working under a certified designer or registered architect: REGISTERED ARCHITECTS AND DESIGNERS THAT HAVE PASSED THE NCIDQ ARE NOT HARD TO FIND. I am frightened that anyone would imply otherwise. Can you imagine our industry existing the way it does with this basic level of knowledge missing? People would get hurt! So the answer to this is, no, you will not have a hard time finding a registered interior designer to practice under. I have 3 in my place of employment, and 3 more studying to take the exam this spring. The fact of the matter is, MOST EMPLOYERS ENCOURGE IT, AND PAY FOR IT! Now why would our industry be leaning toward supporting this exam in such a drastic way if it didn’t see the necessity for all interior designers to have the basic level of knowledge the exam tests for?

This bill was not designed to harm people; it was designed to elevate the profession as a whole. Currently interior designers are the only ones contributing to the built environment that are not licensed. To the students, I would pose this question: Why are you in school? Why are you putting all your time, effort, and funds into a degree in interior design? It’s because you recognize the value of an educated designer. You value the knowledge that our profession needs in order to guarantee our services to the public.

From the NCIDQ website: "The National Council for Interior Design Qualification serves to identify to the public those interior designers who have met the MINIMUM standards for professional practice..." And my comment to this would be that every industry needs a set of standards that defines the practice, and a technical basis for exercising its authority and assuring the public that its services are trustworthy. By choosing to get an education, you have taken the first step in doing this.

The basic fact of the matter is the general public has a limited understanding of what we do. Currently there is no method of allowing the public to make an educated decision on who they should be getting their services from.

After you graduate, if you choose to peruse a career in kitchen and bath design (a perfectly needed and respected specialty within our industry), and this bill has passed, you will still be able to do so. That specialty will still exist. I rely on these talented people (both from kitchen and bath, and cabinetry facilities) to provide me with complicated shop drawings on almost every project I do….shops that I could never do myself. Why would I support something that would put them out of business? That would only make my life harder! There was recently an amendment to this bill the will exclude any projects under 4,000 sq ft, which is the exact same requirement that exists in the architectural law. No one is interested in regulating what people do in their own homes.

If you want to go work for a showroom, those would still exist as well (and I know some fantastic reps I could give you contact info for!). Think about this: this bill is designed to mirror the architectural law already in place. All vendors/ showrooms that supply materials that architects use to build their designs are still doing so with no problems. Again I ask, why would anyone want to make their job harder by making the resources they use daily unavailable to them?

So my message to the students is this: Do not be frightened by this bill. Shame on those of you out there that are trying to frighten these people at an already scary time in their lives…. You call yourselves professionals? I thought it was our job to encourage students, to help them, not scare them?

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33) Are you sure this bill is not bad? [by Anonymous Citizen on February 3, 2008]
So what happens if....after I graduate I get a job working retail as a designer (like at Seldens), or for a kitchen and bath design company....I spend 10 years there. Gaining industry experience. I build a professional portfolio, and I decide I want to start my own design company. It looks to me like that wouldn't be an option. I would have to go work for another designer or architect for two years before that would even be an option... because even after 10 years design experience, a four year design degree, a great portfolio, lots of client referrals and a good salary, I wouldn't be qualified to SIT for the NCIDQ to enable registration....? RIGHT???

Am I missing something here? ASID/NCIDQ would still FORCE me to take another route... Someone please correct me if I'm wrong. Oh, and what about the 2012 accredited degree thing....my school isn't accredited, and its 2008 now. I am supposed to graduate in 2012. What if by chance my school never gets the accreditation...like the Art Institute in Portland? Will my four year degree and thousands of dollars of debt be worthless on my path to starting my own design company in Washington State someday? Will I really be force to work for an NCIDQ designer or an Architect? What if I don't want to?


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34) Answer to a student [by Anonymous Citizen on January 31, 2008]
......getting a job in the industry out right out of school is challenging. An entry level design position at an architecture firm or for a Registered Interior Designer will no doubt be even more difficult. If you are limiting yourself to Washington State, and this legislation passes, the serious truth of the matter is that it will most likely take longer than three years to complete the required work experience to be able to sit for the NCIDQ. But listen, here's the weird part...as of January 1st 2008---work experienced is required to be "supervised" to sit for the NCIDQ period. In ANY state. SO basically what ASID is saying to you is NO OTHER TYPE OF INDUSTRY EXERIENCE MATTERS!! Does this sound absurd or what? I work with SEVERAL successful EXPERIENCED interior designers who have been practicing for decades, and have never accumulated this type of "supervised" experience. I am not trying to freak you out. But this is a HUGE reason why you should oppose this legislation! There are so many wonderful routes to professionalism in the interior design industry....to name a few...working for a design build firm, working for a kitchen and bath design company, working in a showroom...furniture, finishes etc. All of these types of jobs will help you immensely! You will learn SO much and you would be helping "real life" clients with their interior design needs! But if this legislation passes, and all of the places I listed above can't seem to find a RID to work for them, or don't already have one on staff....NONE----ABSOLUTELY NONE of that experience would help enable you to sit for the NCIDQ! Which you could probably pass in a month if you studied for it!!!
ASID is really making a horrible name for itself in the interior design industry. Members are abandoning them every day once they realize what they are doing to our industry. My advice to you is to oppose this legislation! Help keep your options OPEN! So that you aren't REQUIRED to take the NCIDQ some day in order to work in the industry of your dreams!!!
www-protectdesignfreedom-com This legislation is bad for students, professionals, suppliers, contractors, architects…the list goes on! Legislation will not secure your profession…opposing legislation will!


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35) Interior Design Students should oppose this bill [by Anonymous Citizen on January 30, 2008]
Lot's of good questions.

Interior Design Students should seriously question the motive of their professors when they tell them to support legislation. Their motivation to fill up their classrooms is a serious conflict of interest.

Who knows what path your career will take and these laws give you absolutely no flexibility or options.

Research has shown that most interior design graduates actually end up working in retail and good luck finding a NCIDQ holder in a furnitute store.
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36) working retail!? ... [by Anonymous Citizen on January 31, 2008]
If you make the decision to spend four years getting a design degree and then end up working retail, that's too bad for you! It is the point exactly that there should be a difference between an interior designer with the necessary educational background and work experience to do commercial work, and someone working at a store calling themselves an "interior designer" for helping people pick out a sofa.
I have a BFA in Interior Design, had no trouble finding a job at an architecture firm out of school and will be taking the NCIDQ next year. Anyone with the goal to be a serious professional in this industry should support this legislation!
Anyone wanting to work in retail or residential decorating work will not be affected by it.
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37) WOW..working retail??? [by Anonymous Citizen on February 1, 2008]
You deserve several unprofessional adjectives describing you and your dim wit life perspectives.
How brainwashed are you? I guess enough to be an egotistical jerk laking any type of compassion....for all to see. I feel sorry for all you encounter. you're comments make me cringe. that 4 year design degree didn't get ya too far honey pie.
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38) Interior Designers at Architecture Firms [by Anonymous Citizen on January 31, 2008]
What's bizarre is that interior designers are sooo excited to go to work for architects.

Architects are absolutely opposed to this legislation and AIA National and every AIA local chapter has made that crystal clear.

Good luck in your career, but don't expect to make partner at an architecture firm.

If you wanted to be an architect you should have studied architecture instead of interior design.

No amount of government regulation is going to improve your career prospects.

You picked the wrong major.
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39) 4 major architectural firms back this legislation [by Anonymous Citizen on February 5, 2008]
Just because the National AIA does not support interior design legislation does not mean all architects that belong to the AIA do not. In fact, some of the larget architectural firms in Washington State, if not the nation support interior design legislation.

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40) Integrated Design [by Anonymous Citizen on February 1, 2008]
What is this whole "slaving away for an architect" mantra!? Almost all big architecture firms have very well run interior design departments, believe it or not including partners and associates. It is called "integrated design" ... maybe you should google it. And nobody thinks there is anything wrong with residential design, legislation is meant to elevate the professionalism of our industry as a whole.
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41) Architects & Interior Designers [by Anonymous Citizen on February 1, 2008]
If it's so wonderful working for architects, why do the proponets of legislation continually bash architects claiming they are putting them out of business.
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42) Residential vs. Commercial [by Anonymous Citizen on January 31, 2008]
So what we should do is pass a law that prohibits any interior design grad (espeically those who have passed NCIDQ) from ever practicing residential interior design if they made the decision to go to work for an architect doing commercial design out of school.

They should also be banned from all of the showrooms at the Seattle Design Center that cater to residential interior designers.

It's probably dangerous to their careers to be exposed to hazardous residential fabrics, pillows, furniture and accessories.
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43) Working Retail [by Anonymous Citizen on January 31, 2008]
So what your saying is that if your classmates aren't lucky enough to land the right job right out of school that they just wasted 4 years of education.

Or what if the firm you are working for goes out of business or you get laid off.

Be careful what you ask for.

Residential interior design is actually structured like a retail business with the Design Centers serving as the showrooms for independent designers firms.

A retail background is actually much more relevant than slaving away doing Auto-CAD for some architect.
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44) What is I J ? [by Anonymous Citizen on January 30, 2008]
To what organization do you allude?
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45) The IJ [by Anonymous Citizen on January 30, 2008]
Its the institute for justice. They defend the freedoms of people everywhere. Based in DC. Saying they are a front for decorators is so silly and desperate. They happen to take a wide variety of causes. Anytime a bill such as this one, threatens to take away our civil liberties they step in and help. check out their website. When you do, you feel pretty stupid for thinking they are anywhere near what the ASID NSDIQ are. Once again, your Design degree shows how stupid and naive you are about the real world. You really should have to get certified in business!
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46) A front... [by Anonymous Citizen on January 29, 2008]
Kind of like IJ is a front for all the decorators afraid of this bill. (How else could this group get such a quick, sophisticated presence/webpages?) Call the kettle black, girls.
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47) I can't hold my comments any longer... [by Anonymous Citizen on February 3, 2008]
This "group" got it's web page and media presense by hard work and dedication to fighting this senseless piece of legislation! It's called a grass-roots effort designed to fight idiotic causes, fueled by a few who have given countless hours and days out of their schedules to organize, educate and stand up for our rights. I am a professional Interior Designer with a degree and seven years of owning & operating my own design firm, providing services from complete custom home plans in AutoCAD (certified by a local engineering who assumes liability, thank you very much) to finish material selections and unique tile designs and everything in between. Yes, there's the occational selection of furniture, window treatments, accessories, etc... but for you to call me a decorator is just plain ignorant and offensive! I qualify to sit for your NCIDQ exam, but you'll see me in the Washington State Supreme Court with an attorney from the Institute for Justice proving this bill is unconstitutional (just like the Alabama Supreme Court did in 2007) before I apply for your permission to do a job I am more than qualified for! In seven years, not once have I had a single complaint from any of my clients, residential or commercial, that my work is unsafe or has threatened their welfare. Why? Because I'm a professional! Because if I don't know the answer to something, I research it before including it into my design! I am not so pompas as to believe that I know everything there is to know about design, unlike those of you who have your holy grail declaring you're a professional because you passed a test! Few things inspire me to get involved in polotics, but this issue has consumed me for the past six weeks... it sure will be nice when this bill is defeated and we can all go back to designing and competing in a fair market without senseless regulation from our goverment. What a waste of everyone's time this has been...
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48) Re a front [by Anonymous Citizen on January 30, 2008]
I love it. Are you saying we are so stupid that we can't manage to get a website on our own. Ah honey, you are so sad. Your life must be really really bad. I'm so sorry your degree didn't get you what you wanted out of life. But putting others down to elevate yourself never works. Try again.
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49) The "Decorator" Word [by Anonymous Citizen on January 29, 2008]
Once again, they use the word "decorator" as if it's a four letter word.

Of course their propaganda says that those who don't qualify under their one size fits all licensing schemes have nothing to worry about because you are still allowed to use the word decorator.

And when they get tired of doing Auto-CAD for architects what's the first thing that they do. They send their resumes to residential interior "decorators".
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50) Is NCIDQ just a political action committee? [by Anonymous Citizen on January 29, 2008]
Is NCIDQ an independent testing organization or a political organization looking to pass legislation that mandates the use of their test?

What exactly is the NCIDQ community?

This is straight from the NCIDQ website:

Legislation Support Needed
Aid Needed for Nebraska's Interior Design Legislation

The Interior Design Coalition of Nebraska is striving to introduce legislation during the 2008 Nebraska legislative session. The coalition would like support from the NCIDQ community in Nebraska to help promote professionalism and standards for all interior designers in the state. If you have not already joined the coalition, please send an e-mail for more information.


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51) IDCW [by Anonymous Citizen on January 28, 2008]
IDCW is nothing more than a front group for ASID, IIDA, NCIDQ and the colleges that offer interior design degrees.

Every state that attempts to pass these licesing schemes creates these front groups. If you want a list of these front groups you can go to the ASID website. Click on legislation and then click on: "state registration requirements and legislative coalition information".

They are organized so ASID, IIDA and NCIDQ can maintain their non-profit status.

ASID has all kinds of white papers and seminars on how to organize these front groups, how to lobby your legislators, model legislation, etc. They are especially adept at targeting naive students in interior design programs telling them that they need to drink the "ASID coolaid" if they are going to be successful designers.

ASID has also put in place mandatory "legislative assessments" on all members to raise money to fund their attempts to pass these licensing schemes. Members must pay up. Most ASID Allied Members are opposed to legislation but they are afraid to speak up. Many are starting to realize that they are paying dues to an organization that is trying to put them out of business and many are dropping out of the organization.
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52) ASID? [by Anonymous Citizen on January 28, 2008]
If you oppose legislation of the ID industry, that's fine, but please make it on arguements of substance.

ASID and IIDA DID NOT INTRODUCE THIS BILL. IDCW did, they have members of both organizations, but also independant designers, architects, and industry partners not affiliated with either organization. I even see an NKBA member is listed as a board member, as well as other unaffiliated designer professionals.

ASID cannot benefit financial from this because they do not run NCIDQ or the state board. The state board (if the bill passes) would act just like any other (architecture, engineering, landscape architecture, contractors). The review based on merits submitted, and cannot deny liscenure based on membership to a specific organization. These remarks are so unfounded I can't believe I'm even responding, but to think that this misinformation is out there is scary! I'm an independant interior designer supporting legislation. I am not a member of ASID, IIDA, or NKBA and see great benefit in this legislation. I plan on taking the NCIDQ this fall, and can't wait to be REGISTERED INTERIOR DESIGNER...

The bill doesn't stop decorative services, exempts all retail establishments (even when making a wholesale transaction with a contractor), and will not stop anyone from designing their own home. See RCW 18.08, the law already exists, so spaces under 4,000sf (ie most residences) are exempt automatically.

Please approach this with reason. Why wouldn't you want to show competancy and knowledge just like architects, engineers, and landscape architects do? And for that matter hair dressors, nail technicials... the list goes on.
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53) Exemptions, Exemption, Exemptions [by Anonymous Citizen on January 28, 2008]
They are all concerned about Health, Safety and Welfare yet they will exempt all kinds of people if that's what it takes to get a bill through.

If un-licensed interior designers are really a threat to the health, safety and welfare of the consumer shouldn't the residential or retail consumer be afforded the same level of protection as the commercial consumer of interior design services?

I guess not.
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54) Did you read the law...or the bill? [by Anonymous Citizen on January 28, 2008]
Actually….The law says ALL residential projects are exempt. As well as all commercial projects under 4,000 sq. ft. as well as barns and garages etc. However the language in this bill does not reference those exemptions in regards to interior design.
Also the "proposed" legislation states.....
Sec. 13 ”A violation of any provision of this chapter shall be punishable as established by the board……..Any person who for a fee, or other direct compensation.....uses some form of the term "interior design" in the title of a profession or business, or who engages in the preparation of plans or specifications or executes tasks identified as interior design services with out first having complied with the provisions of this chapter is guilty of a misdemeanor and upon conviction there of shall be fined up to one thousand dollars for each offence, and each and every day of violation of this chapter shall constitute as a separate offence."

So this is not just about what we do....its about what we can say we do.....We do practice interior design, and we should be able to advertise this fact truthfully. With out being subject to a misdemeanor.... as deemed by "the board"

Did you miss this part...?
Sec. 6
The governor shall appoint 7 members to an interior design board. Nominees shall come from a list of names supplied by Washington State chapter of American Society of Interior Designers (ASID) and northern pacific chapter of International Interior Design Association (IIDA)

This looks to be easy enough to understand. That’s reason enough for me to oppose this legislation.
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55) Yes, ASID [by Anonymous Citizen on January 28, 2008]
The ASID practically forces its student members to write papers and contact legislators about this bill. The ASID has it blasted all over their website. Yes, the NSDIQ has a part it in too, that is simply b/c they want to sell more tests. Of course. But to say the ASID isn't pushing this is just naive. They are clearly the Sheppard of this design cartel flock.
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56) Use of energy [by Anonymous Citizen on January 28, 2008]
Too bad the energy to oppose the current interior design bill isn't applied to a proper interior design education and passing the NCIDQ exam. These 'wannabe' designers call it elitism...it's actually properly preparing oneself to work in an industry that at this time allows anyone that has the energy to put out a 'shingle' and deem themselves an interior designer. The current 7th grade responses and panic by the 'decorating' crowd drives my point home even further.
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57) Too Bad is right [by Anonymous Citizen on January 28, 2008]
What is too bad is that ASID, IIDA, NCIDQ and the colleges are spending $millions of dollars on lobbying legislators to pass these ridiculous licensing schemes.

You are asking for a government handout to help you do your marketing.

You are free to spend your members money (it's their money after all) on marketing the expertise of ASID and IIDA designers. That's what you are supposed to be doing. That's why people join your trade groups in the first place. Go ahead! If your efforts bring more business to your members I am sure they will continue to pay their membership dues.

Leave the rest of us alone.
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58) The test [by Anonymous Citizen on January 28, 2008]
Passing the test is no big deal for most of us. Its the thought of having to work for two years for someone like you. You only have a design degree. This is so petty! I on the other hand have lots of degrees and that makes me better than you. At least that is the attitude that you take about your little design degree. The fact is, most of us have degrees of one kind or another. We just don't feel the need to exclude people from business. I just have never seen someone this so highly of themselves like this. This asid group should be studied by psychologists.
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59) Studied by psycholgists.... [by Anonymous Citizen on January 29, 2008]
...that are licenced to do their job. Funny you recommend a professional that requires educational, experience and testing requirements. That tells me deep down, you know and understand there's a benefit/difference to someone who is registered in their profession.
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60) too bad you wear blinders [by Anonymous Citizen on January 28, 2008]
Too bad your use of energy isn't used in coming up with legislation that actually makes sense. We have the education, and the experience, and some of us have even passed tests to prove it. Too bad you’re too ignorant to recognize that. Do we need to show you our transcripts? Do you need to see our client referrals.....? Maybe you'll see how happy and healthy our clients are living in their spaces... would you still be wasting your precious energy then? Elitist is right on the money honey...I'd call you worse but we're trying to keep it professional here. You really have no clue who your talking to....your accusations are FALSE.
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61) Re Energy [by Anonymous Citizen on January 28, 2008]
I love the way you say "decorating crowd". This shows your snobbery right there. You think so highly of yourself. If your clients thought that highly you wouldn't have to worry about snubbing out your competition so much would you? This shows you what your education got you. I'm sorry its so tough for you!

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62) Re Waste Of Energy [by Anonymous Citizen on January 28, 2008]
Aw sweetie pie! You poor dear. You will someday understand. I have an MBA, a BA and and AA. Education is fun and great. But it didn't manage to brainwash me enough to want to join a club that I am morally opposed to. I do not like the ASID and I do not want to be forced to join your club. This is what it is about. Forcing us to pass one test...forcing people to work for you...its communism. Look it up on google if your education didn't cover that topic.
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63) Re Waste of Energy [by Anonymous Citizen on January 28, 2008]
Maybe we need a new bill that requires the "ahem Designers" to take a business and democracy course. This might help them to stop pouncing on the constitution? Maybe sneak in some ethics courses too.
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64) Are you going to close my business down? [by Anonymous Citizen on January 27, 2008]
I'm an interior designer.
I have many satisfied customers.
My work is all based on referral.

Are you going to close my business down?
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65) Shut your business down [by Anonymous Citizen on January 27, 2008]
They will if you don't speak up and call your state rep and state senator, or better yet, pay them a visit in Olympia.
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66) Are you going to close my business down? [by Anonymous Citizen on January 27, 2008]
I'm an interior designer.
I have many satisfied customers.
My work is all based on referral.

Are you going to close my business down?
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67) Forcing us to join their club [by Anonymous Citizen on January 26, 2008]
That is all this is. More revenue by force to the ASID. That is like forcing us to join a religion. Most normal designers do NOT want to associate with this group. They have serious ethical issues and wreak with elitism. I qualify for this group, but I'd rather go out of business than join this cartel. I can't see how it legal to make me do this!
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68) Investigate [by Anonymous Citizen on January 26, 2008]
It sounds like this bill is all about Brendan's family and corruption. Why does he want us out of business? I think some investigation into this is called for.
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69) Boycott Starbucks [by Anonymous Citizen on January 26, 2008]
I know it's difficult to do but guess who one of the advocates for this licensing scheme is:

Jackie Hanson, ASID | Past PresidentStarbucks Coffee Company | email“I’m so happy to have been given the opportunity to pursue a career in interior design. I’ve had the opportunity to work on many wonderful projects, which have introduced me to so many talented individuals. The industry has come a long way in the twenty years that I’ve been practicing, but I know it can go farther: legislation is a tool that will elevate the profession and protect the general public. When I look back in another twenty years, I’m confident that the best “project” I’ll ever have is fighting for interior design legislation.”
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70) What? [by Anonymous Citizen on January 26, 2008]
The state frog, bigger bottles of malt liquor now this. Where do you pull these from Brendon? Obviously you can be bought at any price. I'm sure glad you aren't in my district.
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71) New Bill Number-Interior Design [by Anonymous Citizen on January 26, 2008]
They just lost 4 of the 7 sponsors in the House. They remaining 3 are Williams, Hunt & Dickerson. I guess that's why they changed the bill number. Keep in mind that an identical bill has been sponsored in the Senate. (I'm sure the sponsors have never even read the bill).

They must have taken some big bucks $$ from ASID or they wouldn't continue to sponsor this nonsense.

This is politics 101. Pick up the phone and call their offices.

Tell them that you are an interior designer and you are "mad as hell and you aren't going to take it anymore".
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72) It's 3223 Now [by Anonymous Citizen on January 25, 2008]
They changed the number of the bill. So make sure you follow that one now. I don't know why? Brendan, can you please tell us why?
You can look the bill up on this site and I guess post your comments there now. Do we have to RE-Email our legislators now too??
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73) Updated, new bill# [by Anonymous Citizen on January 25, 2008]
FYI - this bill has been updated as HB 3223!
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74) lobbyist [by Anonymous Citizen on January 25, 2008]
I think the lobbyist for the IDCW is a friend of the WIlliam's family. hmmm?
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75) Lobbyist Sandra Romero [by Anonymous Citizen on January 25, 2008]
Yes, She is a very very good friend of Brendan's Family. They give her money, she gives them money. This gives me a sick feeling in my stomach. Why would Brendan take on such a sick cause like this? If it is legal, it shouldn't be! Check the public records. His step mother: Melanie Stewart is a lobbyist and good friend of Sandra. So, in kind Brendan has been giving her money and she in return gives Brendan money. Now she is the NCID's lobbyist and got him to introduce the bill. Like someone said earlier, Brendan could be bought with $20.00 and drink.
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76) The Lobbyist [by Anonymous Citizen on January 25, 2008]
Look at her website. Brendan Williams is on her steering committee and his father is a major supporter. This is sounds messy? This is why Brendan is taking on her ASID cartel cause.
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77) Re: Lobbyist [by Anonymous Citizen on January 25, 2008]
His step mother who lives in Olympia near him is a major lobbyist. So yes, the lobbyist is a friend of hers and the family!
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78) Lobbying for dollars [by Anonymous Citizen on January 25, 2008]
Yes, she contributed to his campaign and now he is contributing to her campaign for a local race. You scratch my back, I'll scratch yours. Both of his parents and his wife are friends of hers. Easy money if you can get it.
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79) Lobbyist [by Anonymous Citizen on January 25, 2008]
Actually, He contributed to her campaign too. Years ago. They have all been family friends for a long time. They give and take favors. Its old Olympia Corrupt Politics.
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80) not surprising [by Anonymous Citizen on January 25, 2008]
this bill is a travesty. it's not surprising that they are all old pals. Looks like IDCW didn't do their research.... All of this info is SO easy to find online! OR perhaps they did do their research! I guess this is the only game they have. Playing with people’s lives, careers, and educations.... Do you think their having fun...? It's sinister. Disgusting.
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81) Does this make Brendan Corrupt? [by Anonymous Citizen on January 25, 2008]
I think we deserve an answer Brendan! What is going on here. Politicians always go down when they cover things up. Tell the truth now! This has nothing to do with safety does it? To the average gal, it sounds like you are trying to please your step mama!
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82) Lobbyist Sandra Romero [by Anonymous Citizen on January 25, 2008]
She was active in donating to his campaign. Nice how this all works isn't it! Now she is working for ASID and her friend Brendan is pushing her bill for her. What a tangled web.
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83) Sheep!!! BAhhh BAhhh! [by Anonymous Citizen on January 25, 2008]
baaah baaah IDCW sheep have you any ideas of your own?....no sir no sir....just a bunch of ideas shoved down our throat by ASID....IDCW is....made up of "ladies" who need some recognition... maybe it was the architects who made you feel so stupid...made you feel the need to latch on to something...important? FIGHT FOR..... INTERIOR DESIGN!!!! YEY!!!! You're important now!!! YEY! YOU HAVE A PORPOSE IN LIFE!!! YEY!!! YOU’RE ACTING LIKE REAL MEN NOW!!! Good job soldiers!

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84) Re Sheep [by Anonymous Citizen on January 25, 2008]
Ladies, let's not turn to ugly insults. What did a sheep ever do to you?
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85) RE RE Sheep [by Anonymous Citizen on January 25, 2008]
Well as many of you know...sheep are led...in herds.... by a shepherd… The duty of a shepherd is to keep their flock intact and protect it from wolves and other predators. The shepherd is also used to supervise the migration of the flock and ensured they made it to market areas in time for shearing....so when I say sheep....it’s not necessarily an insult… it’s a factual analogy.

ASID is the Shepherd, IDCW supporters are the sheep. ASID is trying to protect you from the wolves….guiding you, supervising you and your actions. The predators might just be the designers…with all the talent…getting the business! Can’t you see it IDCW? ASID is leading you to the free market….and exposing you! You’re true colors…you’ve been sheered! Remember IDCW, your shepherd can’t protect you forever…someday you will be forced to stand on your own, vulnerable and humbled.
We’d like to see your portfolios, client testimonials and referrals, not your shepherd’s initials!

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86) Re Sheep [by Anonymous Citizen on January 25, 2008]
I see. That make sense, the ASID is much like cult. Its kind of like trying to force us all to believe in the same religion. Their Mantra is basically: "If you don't conform, we will smash you all."
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87) Life Safety [by Anonymous Citizen on January 25, 2008]
Please remember, fabric specification is only a small concern in regards to life safety. Anyone who actually abides by the codes would know the main issue does not lie within finishes, but space planning. This is something only learned through education and the appropriate experience. Please don't be fooled by designers who claim this bill is useless because "pretty design" isn't a public safety issue.
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88) Clarify [by Anonymous Citizen on January 25, 2008]
Please give an example of when space planning injured someone. The codes that already exist protect people from this already. That is why nobody has been hurt by space planning. The law is already there. This is again, only about titles.
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89) Mr. Anonymous Critic (Again) [by Anonymous Citizen on January 24, 2008]
BACKGROUND PAPER FOR HEARING

CALIFORNIA COUNCIL FOR INTERIOR DESIGN CERTIFICATION

IDENTIFIED ISSUES, QUESTIONS FOR CCIDC, BACKGROUND CONCERNING ISSUES, AND PRELIMINARY RECOMMENDATIONS


PRIOR SUNSET REVIEW:

In 1990, the Legislature passed and the Governor signed SB 153 (Craven) (Chapter 396, Statutes of 1990), which provided for a voluntary system whereby an interior designer could become certified and obtain a stamp from an interior design organization by demonstrating their competency by means of education, experience and examination (B&P Code Section 5800 - 5810). The California Council for Interior Design Certification (CCIDC) was established in January 1992, with the intent of being the organization responsible for determining whether interior designers met the education, experience and examination requirements.

The Joint Legislative Sunset Review Committee (JLSRC) last reviewed CCIDC five (5) years ago (1995-96). The JLSRC identified a number of issues and problem areas concerning the voluntary certification system. For example, the JLSRC noted that concerns have been raised that the interior design law provides for a state-sanctioned cartel, which can raise fees and revenues without any oversight, where only a select few are allowed to become certified and any requirement of stamp certification by governmental agencies may restrict competition for a large number of otherwise qualified interior designers. The JLSRC also noted that there is no evidence that eliminating the voluntary certification would endanger the health, safety or welfare of the public or cause significant public harm nor does there appear to be any significant public demand for the regulation of interior designers.

That is what was said about similar attempts to control the marketplace by the same cartel in California. Where's the beef? It is apparently been proven time and again that there is no need for this legislation Mr. Williams! What is the ASID promising you for proposing this kind of legislation? Because what you're getting is a serious dose of a lack of credibility from the communities that you claim to be protecting.

The opposition to this legislation shall be overwhelming, Mr. Williams. HB 2895 is D.O.A.
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90) California [by Anonymous Citizen on January 24, 2008]
California actually has an unusual law with voluntary registration that accepts tests from several other trade groups including NKBA (National Kitchen & Bath Association).

Of course the ASIDers are hard at work in California to overturn the voluntary system and implement a NCIDQ ONLY licensing scheme.

The best licensing scheme is none at all.
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91) No Conumer Outcry....NONE [by Anonymous Citizen on January 24, 2008]
Has anyone noticed that it is NOT the consumer crying out for protection from interior designers/decorators/home beautification specialists/people who make things pretty or whatever vernacular you prefer? Have you noticed that is is NOT any other industry organization other than ASID and IIDA (who so desperately wants to merge with ASID) crying out for legislation? Have you noticed that legislators as a body are NOT crying out for legislation. Wouldn't any reasonable person take that to mean that there is no problem with unlicensed whoevers (I'm loath to use the term interior designers so as not to upset folks)? If not, wouldn't the records kept since 1907 showing only 4 suits against designers by consumers on issues other than contractural issues be sufficient? And has anyone noticed that since the first Practice Act was established in 1982, most of the claims are designers turning each other in? Do these coalitions and proponents who have been hoodwinked not want to confuse the issue with the facts?
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92) State Reps: Read No Conumer Outcry....NONE [by Anonymous Citizen on January 24, 2008]
This is best summary of this discussion so far. Yes I am a designer with a degree. But this legislation just goes too far and is unclear. As a designer, I find ASID's move to monopolize their club elitist and wasteful. The law suits and problems that this bill will create make my head spin. We know you are reasonable, lets keep decorating/design/creating legal for all. The codes already exist to keep our citizens safe. No designer puts in her own flooring/plumbing/fixtures. She uses contractors and plumbers etc whom are already regulated enough. This bill would not add any safety measure.
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93) elitist [by Anonymous Citizen on January 24, 2008]
This bill is elitist and unfair. Mr. Williams tell us what you were thinking when you came up with this one. There is a huge difference between interior design and interior decorating, and this bill will eliminate all the creative, artistic people working as decorators.
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94) Elitist Brendan [by Anonymous Citizen on January 24, 2008]
Yes please Brendan, tell us what you were thinking. Is your goal to put thousands of people out of work? Is your goal to raise the costs of creating a nice home for the middle class? Is it because you come from such a rich family that you don't care about the middle class anymore? Did you even read the bill? It does nothing to protect public safety because of the retail exemptions. Not to mention the fact that NOBODY as ever been hurt from a decorator/designer/artist before. All it does is allow the ASID to eliminate competition and create a monopoly. Please, re read the bill and vote no. Doing otherwise will only show your lack of caring for our community and your constituents.
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95) Grand parenting and the NCIDQ exam [by Anonymous Citizen on January 24, 2008]
All of those applicants who meet the qualifications for the grand parenting provision in the bill would still need to pass the NCIDQ exam. They would be put on a list by the regulatory board, which would be given to NCIDQ to administer the exam. There would be no application to NCIDQ, but you would still have to pass the exam to be a "Registered Interior Designer".
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96) Grandparenting? [by Anonymous Citizen on January 24, 2008]
Nice choice of words. What these people really want to do is put all of their competitors "out to pasture".

They hope if they parade a bunch of letters after their name that potential clients won't ask to see their portfolio.
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97) Retail Excemption [by Anonymous Citizen on January 24, 2008]
This part says it all. It is so clear that public safety is NOT the issue. Losing in home design business is the only issue here. If it was really about public safety, we would simply create codes about what fabrics can be used where etc. Why in the world would you exempt retail fabric suppliers but not in home fabric suppliers? You really should be ashamed. This is elitist biggotry and snobbery. Usually you try and hide this side of our industry, but here you are showing your ugly side for all the world to see. This is why you are struggling. Kharma gets you in the end.
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98) Regulatory Board? [by Anonymous Citizen on January 24, 2008]
Give us a break with this regulatory board staffed by ASID/IIDA cronies.

If you passed NCIDQ you are free to say you did in your marketing materials. Nobody cares.

Any designer that's any good competes with their portfolio and references.

Keep the government out of this.
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99) Top 10 WA State Architectural Firm [by Anonymous Citizen on January 30, 2008]
If a interior designer does not have an NCIDQ certification...we do not consider them for employment. (Even in our sample library.)
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100) Regulatory Board [by Anonymous Citizen on January 24, 2008]
This board makes it sound like we're living in the Soviet Union in 80's. SCARY!
Please feel free to put all your letters and all your exams that you passed in your portfolio and marketing materials. Put in bold letters. Scream it from the streets. Have a badge made that you can wear to all your appointments. I am sure it will help you close the sale with your clients. Tell them all about fire concerns you have and how you have memorized the ADA codes. Let your education and exams work for you. That is great!! Just leave the rest of us to let our creativity, knowledge, experience, portfolio and referrals work for us. None of us want to design a hotel, a hospital, a mall or even a dentists office. I go to homes and help the homeowner create a warm, beautiful and yes even safe environment for her family.
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101) Regulatory Board... [by Anonymous Citizen on January 24, 2008]
If you "go to homes and help the homeowner create a warm, beautiful and yes even safe environment for her family", great! This bill DOES NOT CONCERN YOU. READ THE BILL! Read the exemption. Don't just listen to whatever mantra this super-hero "justice league" (talk about giving someone a break!) has to say. Read before you make all this fuss.

But if you decide to work on a project that effects the public, then you should be able to prove you are competent professional, just like everyone else on the team from contractor, to plumber, architect to engineer. All of these TRADES and professions need certification. Not being certified is doing a disservice to your client and the public's safety.
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102) Re: Regulatory Board [by Anonymous Citizen on January 24, 2008]
With all due respect, you are wrong. Look, as a group we can all agree that this bill is causing hurt and strife and difficulty in our industry if nothing else. On one hand it says you can decorate, on the other hand you can't draw anything or pick out materials. It contradicts itself. Draft a new bill that says only ASID members can design public places and I think we'll all be okay with that. This one, just hurts so many people and really benefits no one. If you really have public safety in mind, God bless you. But this bill does not accomplish your goal.
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103) This isn't Texas. [by Anonymous Citizen on January 24, 2008]
The bill language in Washington State would protect the title "Registered Interior Designer" anyone could still use the title "interior designer" when providing design services to clients under the exemption clause.
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104) anonymous citizen [by Anonymous Citizen on January 24, 2008]
I'm pretty sure that the bill states you can not use the title Interior Designer unless you have satisfied all of the requirements.
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105) Titles [by Anonymous Citizen on January 24, 2008]
No matter what title is put in place they are always manipulated by the title holders to criticize and bash competitors who don't have the title.

The claim that 25 states (or whatever the number is) have interior design legislation is just one example of this marketing manipulation. Most states only have modified title acts with the words "certified", "registered" or "licensed" interior designer.

What are these titles? Nothing more than state sanctioned "feel good" merit badges that are manipulated to create the impression that you have to have one of these titles to practice interior design. You don't, but they won't tell you that if you ask them.

Compete with your portofolio (if you even have one).
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106) design services [by Anonymous Citizen on January 24, 2008]
You say you would allow us to still use the title "Interior Designer" while providing design services BUT your bill won't allow us to provide the design services our clients need!
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107) Anonymous Critic [by Anonymous Citizen on January 24, 2008]
The famous Irish author Oscar Wilde upon his deathbed in Paris was quoted as saying "The wallpaper is killing me. One of us has to go". This is the last time I can remember Safety and Health in Interior Design actually being an issue.


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108) Texas Interior Design Lawsuit [by Anonymous Citizen on January 24, 2008]
MELANIE SPENCER: INTERIOR DIALOGUE
Austin American Statesman

Texas decorators sue to use title 'interior designer'
4 sue state board members over law that limits unlicensed decorators.

Thursday, January 24, 2008
On Jan. 15, Courtroom 4 at the historic, 1930s-era U.S. Courthouse at 200 W. Eighth St. was the meeting space for several Austin interior designers, decorators, members of the Texas Board of Architectural Examiners and the Texas Association of Interior Design and several other interior design and decorator professional organizations.

And although the room, with its startling cerulean blue carpet, archaic wood paneling, Aggie maroon curtains and harsh metal miniblinds could use an extreme makeover that better celebrates the building's late art deco architecture, this group wasn't meeting to discuss cutting-edge courtroom design or historic restoration. Instead, they were talking through their lawyers about a case related to the 1991 Texas interior designer title act.

According to the act, to use the title of interior designer, a person must have a two- or four-year degree in interior design from a school accredited by the Foundation for Interior Design Education Research and two years of work experience and must pass the National Council for Interior Design Qualification exam. Interior designers must also take eight hours of continuing education and renew their licenses yearly.

The case is a civil rights lawsuit by Austin decorators Vickee Byrum, Joel Mozersky and Veronica Koltuniak and Nancy Pell of Houston against Gordon Landreth, chairman of the architectural examiners board, and nine other members. The suit challenges the title act, which prohibits unlicensed decorators from referring to themselves as interior designers, lest they be fined up to $5,000. The suit was filed in 2007, on the same day a bill to limit interior design practice in commercial spaces was defeated in the Texas House.

This preliminary hearing, presided over by U.S. Magistrate Robert Pitman, was in advance of the pretrial hearing. None of the parties involved wished to make comments at the Jan. 15 hearing, but in an earlier news release, Pell, owner of Beautiful Things, a design center outside Houston, said the title act has hurt her business.

"When people come into our office and ask if we're interior designers, it's not fair for the state to keep me from honestly telling them what I am," said Pell, who has an associate's degree in interior design but is not a licensed and certified interior designer. "I am an interior designer, but the state won't allow me to say so. That's censorship."

In a statement issued by the Texas Association of Interior Design, executive director Donna Vining said that because of the title act, "The citizens of Texas know that when they hire an 'interior designer' in Texas, that person meets the professional standards of education, examination and experience."

During the hearing, Clark Neily, senior attorney at the Institute for Justice in Arlington, Va., and a University of Texas alumnus, argued that the law is a violation of the First Amendment right to free expression. He said that the title act forbids the plaintiffs from describing what they do for a living and that the law is also contradictory, because although one has to have the education, training and testing required to use the interior designer title, he or she can still practice interior design without the title.

Marina Grayson, lawyer for the architectural examiners board defendants and assistant attorney general in the general litigation division, said the plaintiffs' desire to use "interior designer" and "interior design" when advertising their services is misleading, because they aren't certified and Texas law gives specific meaning to the designations "interior designer" and "interior design." Grayson further asserts that commercial speech isn't as protected as other forms of speech.

Also discussed is the professional organization the American Society of Interior Designers, which, according to its Web site, has "a full-time government and public affairs staff that includes three lobbyists registered with the U.S. House of Representatives and U.S. Senate" and whose staff works to help enact title and practice acts across the country.

Clark said that in the designer referral service at asid.org, one-third of designers within a 500-mile radius of Austin are not registered in Texas.

Later Clark said, "They, and their state-level organization, TAID, push for this titling act, ginning up this totally fictitious legislative record about how consumers are supposedly being 'misled' about what credentials interior designers have, but then they turn around and hold out their own allied members — who do not meet the credentialing requirements for licensure in Texas and are not in fact licensed — as 'interior designers' through their designer referral service."

In a later call to American Society of Interior Designers director of government and public affairs Deanna Waldron, I asked for clarification.

"We are sensitive to the fact that not everyone can call themselves an interior designer," Waldron said. "We do make a distinction between allied members and professional members. Standards for professional education and experience have changed significantly in the last 33 years. Due to that fact, at the current time, there is a broad range of people in this organization that meet varying ranges of that criteria."

Case in point: Not all of the allied members listed on the site have taken and passed the National Council exam. So it is important for consumers to ask about qualifications, regardless of a designer's professional affiliation.

Another issue discussed was the grandfather clause, which allowed some Texas interior designers who do not hold interior design degrees or did not sit for the required exam to use the interior designer title.

"Grandfathered interior designers still have to meet the experience, background and continued education but don't have to take the test," Grayson said. "Anyone off the street can be an interior decorator."

As reported in earlier stories, interior decorators and interior designers alike have expressed to me that they think those who were grandfathered in should have to take the exam or disclose how they became designers.

On Tuesday, Pitman denied both parties' motions for summary judgment, which means they will likely go to trial.

Regardless of the outcome, when you consider hiring for work around your house, interview the person you want to work with. Ask questions, view his or her portfolio, call references and do your research.


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109) Fire Safety to consider [by Anonymous Citizen on January 24, 2008]
According to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA), interior furnishings and content is the second most important issue in the protection of life and property during a fire in public assembly spaces. In public spaces (not including residences, apartments, industrial and storage facilities), over 700 fires per month involve interior content as the first ignition point of the fire, leading to an average 23 deaths, and 330 injuries, and over $399 million in direct property damage each year.
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110) Decorator Arsonists?? [by Anonymous Citizen on January 24, 2008]
Here they go again about fire safety.

So why did the Massachusetts Fire Marshall testify against a similar licensing scheme hearing last year. They also love to blame the famous Las Vegas MGM Hotel Fire on incompetent decorators.
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111) Fire Safety?? [by Anonymous Citizen on January 24, 2008]
Most furniture is sold through retail outlets, not interior designers.

Yet they propose a retail exemption in this bill.

What hypocrisy. They will say anything to pass this bill.
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112) Interior Designers specify furniture [by Anonymous Citizen on January 24, 2008]
A retail store doesn't go in an select whatever looks good...
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113) nothing to do with increasing taxes... [by Anonymous Citizen on January 24, 2008]
LICENSING GENERATES REVENUE. No tax increases are needed to enact this bill. The Individual State Agency fiscal note saw no capitol budget impact and estimated revenue of $40,000-$57,000 annually.
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114) No New Taxes?! [by Anonymous Citizen on January 24, 2008]
What about all of the unemployment benefits and other services that will need to be paid out to people who go out of business or lose their jobs.
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115) Designer Licenses [by I'm Tired of Taxes on January 23, 2008]
Wouldn't it be nice to know where the drafter(s)of this bill get there lobby money from.
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116) The money comes from ASID [by Anonymous Citizen on January 24, 2008]
ASID Members are forced to pay up:

Why is an assessment necessary? Quite simply, ASID needs more money to
effectively pursue the legislative activities necessary to protect the future of the
interior design profession in today’s legislative arena. Lobbying expenses continue
to grow and the opposition is becoming increasingly aggressive in their
campaign to stop any further interior design legislation. Without an increased
monetary commitment from ASID, the movement to legally recognize the interior
design profession in every state will lose momentum and eventually come
to a halt. Currently, legislative activities are funded out of the Society’s general
budget. As the general budget must fund all ASID programs and services, your
Society cannot increase the money spent on right-to-practice legislation without
cutting other vital member programs and services. The assessment will
enable ASID to continue providing the high level of programs and services currently
offered and also increase financial support for interior design legislation.
Why an assessment instead of a dues increase? There are several legal
and financial reasons why an assessment is a better option than a dues increase,
but the basic principle at work here is “truth in advertising.” By assessing members
for a specific purpose, ASID is obligated to spend the funds for that purpose
and only that purpose. Members know that the monies collected through the
legislative assessment will be spent to pass legislation legally recognizing the
interior design profession and protect your right to practice.
Who is required to pay the assessment? All professional and allied members
are required to pay the assessment, with the exception of advancing
student members who will not be assessed during their first two years of allied
membership. Student members and Industry Partner members will not
be assessed.
How will the assessment be spent? The assessment will be used to help fund
the legislative initiatives of ASID chapters and state interior design coalitions. A
portion of your assessment money will be sent to your chapter and designated
for use in its legislative activities. The remaining portion of your assessment will
be pooled with the money from other members to aid chapters and interior design
legislative coalitions that are actively pursuing legislation. This way, funds
are spent where they are most needed and will have the most immediate impact.
This is the most effective way to fund initiatives.
Will the assessment be for 2007 only? No. The assessment will continue
until such a time as it is deemed that the increased level of funding is no longer
necessary. The ASID Board of Directors will re-evaluate the legislative climate
each year to determine the need to continue the assessment.
What will happen to the voluntary dues check-off for legislation?
The voluntary dues check-off of $25 will remain in place, and members are
encouraged to make that extra contribution. As always, all funds that are collected
by the voluntary dues check-off will be returned in full to chapters and
earmarked for legislative purposes.
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117) $500 a year to ASID for what? [by Anonymous Citizen on January 24, 2008]
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118) 500 A year? [by Anonymous Citizen on January 24, 2008]
Why its clear, to put your competitors out of business. The only question to ask is: "is it cheaper to just join the mob?"
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119) Emperor's New Clothes [by Anonymous Citizen on January 23, 2008]
Whatever legislator sponsored this dumb-ass proposal needs to be outed on YOUTUBE. What a waste of taxpayer's money.

"The purpose of this act is to safeguard public health.......to provide confirmation that design concepts are..."aesthetically appropriate"?????????

This bill will shut down every small Design-Build Contracting Company in the city. It will make every remodel project take 3 times as long as it needs to, and cost 5 times what it ought to.

If you want a candid appraisal of the contribution of interior designers, ask the professionals they supervise. These are the people who actually have the credentials.

If you are struggling to make a living as an interior designer, offer a better product.


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120) Brandon Williams [by Anonymous Citizen on January 23, 2008]
The sponsor is Brandon Williams. Let him know how you feel. He actually has a video of himself on his website.

How to Reach Rep. Williams
House 22nd District Page

Olympia office:
Rep. Brendan Williams
PO Box 40600
132F Legislative Bldg.
Olympia, WA 98504-0600

Olympia phone: (360) 786-7940
Form mail: Message for Rep. Williams
Toll-free Hotline: 1-800-562-6000
TTY-TDD (hearing impaired): 1-800-635-9993

Biography
PERSONAL INFO:

Date of Birth: May 16, 1968.

Birthplace: Eugene, OR

Lives in Olympia with wife, Nicole, and son, Blake, who was born in 2002. Both of Brendan's parents grew up on farms. A Northwest native, Brendan went to Iowa City High School (Little Hawks) before moving back to Olympia.

EDUCATION:

B.A., The Evergreen State College

M.A., Criminal Justice, Washington State University

J.D., University of Washington School of Law

PROFESSIONAL EXPERIENCE:

Attorney and business consultant in private practice. Past executive director of the Washington Health Care Association.

GOVERNMENT EXPERIENCE:

Has worked in all three branches of state government: As a judicial law clerk for Justices Gerry Alexander and Bobbe Bridge of the Washington Supreme Court; as executive secretary for former House Speaker Brian Ebersole, and an aide and intern for former Senator Al Bauer; and as a governor’s intern for former Governor Booth Gardner.

LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES:

· Honor dedicated state workers by ratifying their collective bargaining agreements.

· Invest in our future by properly funding public education.

· Protect our quality of life by preserving environmental laws.

· Assure access to quality, affordable health care, including long-term care.




HB 2895 - 2007-08 (What is this?)

Addressing the practice of interior design.

Go to documents...


History of Bill
as of Wednesday, January 23, 2008 8:10 PM


Sponsors: Representatives Williams, Campbell, Jarrett, Dickerson, Liias, Hunt, Ormsby
Companion Bill: SB 6707

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121) Brendan Williams [by Anonymous Citizen on January 24, 2008]
If you look further into Brendan you will find that is the kind of person who could be bought with $20.00 and a drink. He is super liberal and puts out legislation to get attention. His goals are to get attention and become a career politician. He has no real cause or ideals. He takes on legislations that gets press and that's about it.
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122) "All right, Mr. DeMille, I'm ready for my close-up" [by Anonymous Citizen on January 24, 2008]
If he want's press, he certainly picked the right issue.

However, the proponents of this legislation are usually only successful when they can sneak the legislation through at the midnight hour.

It snuck through the Michigan House because the Committee Chair and sponsor were one in the same.

He liked to call hearings at 4:59 PM for the next morning. Somehow the proponents were aware of the hearings but the proponents were not.

If there's enought advance notice for these hearings they will need to get the biggest room in the Washington State House.
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123) Challenge To Brendan [by Anonymous Citizen on January 24, 2008]
We ask you to do the right thing and NOT to sneak this though. If you truly care about justice then ensure we all have the ability have our say and that our representatives have time to hear our opinions.
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124) Consumer Protection? [by Anonymous Citizen on January 23, 2008]
From a Blog in Michigan that is trying to pass a similar licensing scheme.

Who is Protected by “Consumer Protection?”
Michigan ranks sixth in the nation when it comes to occupational licensing, with 116 different occupations requiring state approval, according to a recent Reason Foundation report.
Michigan even has a license for reptile catchers. You’d think with only one native venomous snake, the Massasauga Rattlesnake — and a relatively benign one at that — we might not need to rank so highly in this area of policy. Apparently not.
So, why do we have all of these licenses? Who comes up with them? Here’s a hypothetical example of how such policies come about:
A lawmaker meets with lobbyists representing an association of interior designers. The lobbyists say interior designers contribute $10 million annually to the state economy and provide more than 10,000 good paying jobs. Interior designers work hard to have a good reputation, say the lobbyists, but all of that is in danger. Rogue designers who are not members of the association have been undercutting prices and providing shoddy workmanship that damages all designers’ reputations. The lobbyists tell of one such designer who made a cheap shelving unit that collapsed, injuring the customer.
To remedy this, the association proposes requiring all interior designers to be registered with the state. They propose a course of study (provided by the association, to members only) and a test administered by a state panel of design experts (largely representatives of the association). Applicants must pay a $500 fee to cover the cost of the course, the test, the panel and all other related activities. Fee money would also be used to investigate and prosecute any unlicensed designers — including levying a $500 fine for first time offenders and $1,000 for repeats.
The lawmaker likes the idea of "protecting" his constituents and introduces a package of bills, mostly drafted by design association lawyers. The legislation passes the Legislature and is signed by the governor with little fanfare, as the association lines up members to testify in favor of it and the media reprints their supportive statements on this "consumer protection" package.
That’s the side of the story that is easy for everyone to see. Here’s another side:
Jane Citizen works 40-plus hours per week to sustain her family, and because of her interest in it, started her own interior design business. She has no formal training in design, and neither time nor money to pay for it. Her customers are happy, and her business has been steadily growing by word-of-mouth. Jane has never been a member of any design associations and doesn’t have time to attend conferences or read their publications, nor does she have extra cash to pay their dues.
The new "consumer protection" act goes into effect without Jane’s knowledge. She is soon approached on the job by a bureaucrat asking to see her registration. He informs her that she is violating the law and must pay a $500 fine and cease plying her trade immediately. She must become registered or face additional fines and/or legal action. Jane doesn’t have the extra $500, nor does she have the time to take the state-required course or the money to pay for it. She has unknowingly violated the law and must cease earning her living.
Lawmakers received short-lived but positive press for "protecting consumers." But who was protected? Jane and those depending on her income were not protected by the new law. Her happy customers who lost her skills and competitive prices were not protected. The design association was the only party protected. They eliminated competitors who drove down prices. They protected their monopoly and damaged the marketplace.
Under such a law Jane and her willing customers are "protected" from an honest and mutually satisfactory transaction. Free exchange ceases to be a natural right protected by government; instead it becomes a privilege bestowed by government. No longer can market competition ensure the best services at the best price; instead a trade monopoly, using the force of government, ensures the highest price for their service. No longer do free people choose what constitutes a fair price, a fair wage and good design; instead a government panel decides for them.
The next time you hear about "consumer protection" legislation that requires yet more licensing, check to see who it really protects. When government uses force to create and protect industry monopolies for "public safety," it subverts our natural rights. That’s more dangerous than a room full of collapsing shelves.

Isaac M. Morehouse is director of campus leadership for the Mackinac Center for Public Policy, a research and educational institute headquartered in Midland, Mich
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125) Consumer Protection vs "natural right" [by Anonymous Citizen on January 24, 2008]
Natural right? first ammendment? isn't this the same defense the porn industry uses? so you're saying it is Jane Public's right to falsely advertise her services, do a half-ass job, and waste time, money, and clog the governments time? All because she's chosen to persue a job she has no qualifications for, because she doesn't have time or money to go to college. It can be done people, its not that hard. and its not about Extra Cash. Tell that to everyone who's worked their way to college. Tell that to the guy Jane Public's shelf hit. but i guess these shotty decorators are giving business to the lawyers, doctors, nurses, fireman and inspectors that have to fix the people their fluff hurts. so its great for the economy. that's right, keep making a crappy product so the prices stay low!!!

If you can't do a job right, don't do it at all. Let someone esle who has proven that they know what they're doing. Its not a hobby, but a profession.
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126) on crack...and uptight! [by Anonymous Citizen on January 24, 2008]
enough said.
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